I am going to give it to Maul, because we all know that he did beat obiwan in TPM, just got cocky at the end. He also beat a saber master (i think thats what he was) in Shadow Hunter, who probably was a better duelist than Kenobi.
Heres my opening dialogue to the fight and scenario
Maul: Die kenobi
obi wan: but how did you come back, i killed you already.
Maul: it was null Arc Avis and his dark power which brought me back for revenge. now i will kill you
Obi wan: O here we go again, thats what you said last time
Maul: what are you talking about, i only had 2 lines in the last movie and i never said a word to you.
Obi wan: watever lets fight
Scenario: this fight could go either way, on the one hand obi wan has developed more wisdom and has become stronger in the force than his TPM self.
in terms of sabers i think maul takes it because in aotc obi wan was in that phase where he was transitioning from ataro to soresu and he really didnt have a solid swordplay strategy, whereas maul's consistent juyo could pummel through.
but because kenobi is less predictable that could serve against maul and he could cut maul down by suprise.
force i give to kenobi.
all out could go either way depending on who makes the first mistake which would probably be maul because he is so hot headed.
Conclusion: Tie(whoever wins will do so with difficulty)
now if were talking rots kenobi than maul doesnt have a chance but atoc kenobi will challenge maul
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Hmm the jedi who couldn't take jango fett or the sith that destroyed a jedi whose light saber skills are second to none wiped out the black sun single handily dominated Obi-Wans master and was called one of the deadliest sith apprentice of all time. I've got to give this one to maul
Yeah, until I can't see AOTC Kenobi doing the feats that Maul has done. Maul fights Jinn on Tatooine and when it is over Jinn barely escapes alive and Maul looks normal, can't see Kenobi being that dominate, nor can I see Kenobi while not at full strength, taking on TPM Jinn and Kenobi 2 on 1 and lasting too long (even if he WERE at full strength). What has AOTC Kenobi done that is so impressive? Maul would have made short work of Jango and would have lasted at least a little longer against Dooku (and Dooku was toying with Kenobi, too).
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Well, considering that
A) Jango also had the help of Boba in the Slave 1
B) Jango killed Dooku's former apprentice, defeated Jedi Knights using only his fists, and has taken down way more corporations and mobs then Maul ever has...
Not being able to kill Jango isn't exactly that bad of a showing. Hell, jango could probably give Maul a tough time, but then again I'm biased so what do I know.
Ya Jango is a beast but Obi-Wan should have but up a better fight then what he did, why didn't he try to use the force on Jango?
Also when he beat those jedi with his bare hands he was practically blood lusted and attacked some from behind but no matter what taking down about half of a large group of jedi with your fists is very impressive, so I guess using his inability to beat Jango wasn't the best comparison
Id say this is a tie. TPM obi-wan was able to fight maul pretty well, and I think 10 years later he would be a perfect match for maul. Obi has gained more experience, and learned form III.
Maul was having a hard time with obi, he got his saber chopped up, and took a foot to the gut. Now im not saying thats z0mg@m@z1ng but thats doing pretty well IMO.
Also, AOTC kenobi is still a better swordsman than pissed off TPM kenobi.
Maul wins
He is called "one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history,"in the Complete Visual Dictionary
He was trained by Sidious in both the sith and jedi arts.(dark Side source book)
He defeated Anoon Bondara who had had lightsaber skills(technical skill) second to none prior to TPM. (yes I had to mention it)
Maul survived on a planet by himself for a month all the while being attacked by"hordes of deadly assassin droids" then on the same planet (after he was exhausted,hungry, and wounded) he dueled Darth Sidious and gave him a run for his money.
In shadow hunter he is described to move as "blur"
Anoon's apprentice Darsha Assant tried to commit a suicidal explosion that would killer her and Maul because she couldn't kill him.
He outdueled the nightsister Mighella who was the personal body guard of Alexi Garyn,the leader of the blacksun,then he was able to resist her force lightning and cut her in two still being hit by the force lightning.
He infiltrated the Black Sun and killed its leader Alexi Graryn, his body guard the Mighella and all of the Vigos and their body guards.
He outdueled Obiwan and killed Qui-gon who is described in the TPM novel "one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order" and he wasn't even at a 100%.
Two different sources say that while it may have looked like TPM(DS) Obiwan was beating Maul it was in fact the opposite Obiwan caught him by surprise but as they continued their 1v1 duel, Maul was getting stronger and Obiwan was getting weaker. Neither source contradicts the movie because they are describing what we can't see with out eyes which is the character's thoughts and how they physically feel.
As a practitioner of Juyo Maul is thus a "high level master of multiple forms"
Yea I don't see AOTC Kenobi winning this, what feats are there that we can contribute to him even doing that rivals Maul by this AOTC?
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Aug 14th, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Well put, and for the Black Sun thing, he killed over 60 (i counted)men that were said by Black Sun's leader to be the best soldiers Black Sun had. he also killed 7 beings that were said to be some of the most dangerous men in the galaxy (the same description that was given of Jango and Boba Fett btw), which i find very impressive.
Aug 14th, 2008 08:17 PM
