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1. Lightsaber only
2. Force only
3. All out.
I think Vader would win 2 and 3, and probably one as well because he uses a form based mostly on his immense physical strength, which is Makashi's weakness, although it is debatable.
1. I don't see Dooku resisting Vader's strength in sabers, though he may be able to out-maneuver him. Maybe.
2. With no lightsaber to block Dooku's lightning, even Vader's powerful TK couldn't save his respiratory system. Lest there's something I'm not aware of.
3. Vader's powerful enough to withstand Dooku's sabers strikes and lightning, and his proficient TK could defeat Dooku. Though, I don't like to downplay Dooku too much, he's still very, very good.
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Re: ROTS Count Dooku vs ESB Darth Vader
I think it makes sense. Makashi involves quick wrist flicks and precise strikes. If you were to grip your lightsaber roughly your wrists wouldn't be able to move around much, so you're pretty much required to grip your lightsaber a bit more gentle then average... meaning a hard enough strike could you *** you up pretty bad.
Vader in Sabers because at this point in his career he's got not only tons of experience in combat, but tons of experience in combat against Jedi. He managed to beat a ressurected Darth Maul. He can take massive amounts of damage, as shown from the Conclave on Kessel, his duel with Darth Maul, and even his battle with Luke in ESB. He's managed to master all of Form V by this time, and modify it enough that Dooku would have difficulty recognizing its patterns. Furthermore, this Vader is stronger than the Anakin who managed to thoroughly overpower him in ROTS.
Vader in the Force because Vader's TK ability surpasses Dooku's. He's 80% of Sidious' power. And Dooku's Lightning can be deflected or blocked with his saber. It was also an impressive feat (to me) that Vader Force Choked to death his admiral on the Death Star, who was probably several miles away at the time (remember that the Death Star is the size of a small moon, and they were using the vid screen to communicate). Also, isn't it established in The Force Unleashed novelization that Vader has Force Lightning of his own?
EDIT: Good point, TG. Why do I always forget in Force only there wouldn't be a lightsaber? Meh. I don't give a damn. Vader breaks Dooku's fragile, arthritic neck with the Force.
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1. Vader he may not be as skilled as the Count but he is much stronger and won't tire as quickly as Dooku which appear to be his weaknesses but this won be easy
2. Dooku force lighting bye bye Vader
3. Vader will most likely be able to block Dooku lighting with his saber and get close enough to engage in a saber battle, add in Vader impressive TK skills and he should win 6-7/10
You seem to forget you dont need a saber to block force lightning. You can block it with the force. Yoda did it with relative ease, and vader is just as adept at using the force as yoda.
says who? Vader has shown TK abilities far surpassing anything i have seen Yoda do, and the lightning isn't blocked with his HANDS, it is blocked with the FORCE. Quite a difference.
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Ah, that's right. Afterall, he did use his hand to stop blaster bolts.
The Force can only be channeled through organic material. Prosthetic limbs wouldn't be included. Which is why Vader's only 80% of Palpatine's power when he had the potential, undamaged, of being 200% of Palpatine.
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In a force fight, it seriously depends on who strikes first and what they strike with, if vader manages to throw an intense TK attacked at dooku before he fires his lightning, then theres a chance that vader would defeat the count though it wouldn't be easy.
However, if dooku takes a blast at vader with force lightning if vader does not react in time, then its likely vader dies unless he conjures up a defence to shield him from the lightning.
What ever the case, i don't think it would be easy for them to beat each other.
I was wondering this myself what attack would land first a TK attack from Vader or lighting from Dooku.
Question can we even be sure that Dookus lighting will be powerful enough to short circuit Vaders life support since the only person that ever hit him with force lighting was Palpatine the undisputed master of force lighting
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Dooku has the saber battle, Vader has the force fight (someone of his capacity and dark side mastery would know how to BLOCK lightning. He can just crush Dooku or ragdoll him subsequently). The all-out? I'm leaning towards Vader, but I'd say Dooku can take it as well.
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Dooku has quicker reflexes, faster blade-work, and superior technical skill/finesse; the advantages that let Anakin beat Dooku are no longer in place; Dooku is simply quicker than Vader, unlike Anakin, who cornered Dooku with his physical strength and speed to boot. I would say that Dooku certainly has the saber battle.
Yes i agree Dooku takes the saber battle.. Vader was hardly a match for old Ben in sabers. and since Dooku can handle greivous without too much difficulty, I cant see him losing to Vader in Sabers at least.
as for the force, I think Vader will just about takes it.. and I mean JUST ABOUT!
I mean lets not forget this is the Dooku who has Ventress on the floor by merely lifting a finger, dominates ROTS Obi-Wan mid saber fight with a simple flick of the wrist and easily overpowers Clone Wars Anakin in a Force fight as well.
Maybe it is not the same but I will bring it up. Vader block three laser shot with his hands. Shouldn't he be able to block Dooku's force lighting?
When Yoda blocked force lighting, he did it purely through the force. Does it really matter what your body is made of? If Vader cannot block it with the force then he is dead, if he can then I see him definitely winning against Dooku.
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D. Power, the LoE novel notes that Dooku was often 'hard-pressed' to beat Grievous; in addition, Vader dominated old Ben. Get the facts right, please, although I agree that Dooku has the saber match.
Please read carefully before accusing me of getting my facts wrong..
I said he can handle Greivous without "TOO much difficulty.." often hard pressed is not the same and does not go that far in terms of difficulty.. and that was just Dooku sparring Greivous as part of his training.
I mean do you really think if Dooku went ALL OUT on Greivous that Greivous would stand even a chance against him in a saber fight???
As for Vader vs. Old Ben, maybe I didnt explain properley there.. but what I meant was Old Ben was still putting up a decent fight against him, and Vader only killed him when Ben allowed him. and its not like Vader was kicking the crap out of him, like ROTS Dooku surely would have to the old hermit.
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Actually, one doesn't need to have a lightsaber or have to be Yoda to block lightning with their hands. Kyp Durron did it to Jaina Solo's lightning (which was strong enough to kill the Force-immune Yuuzhan Vong) in Dark Journey, and we know Vader's way over Kyp in Force ability.
So...
1. Dooku, though with some difficulty.
2. Vader, he can turn away blaster bolts with his hands, and they're more powerful than Force lightning.
3. Vader again.
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