KMC Forums

 
  REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Already a member? Log-in!
 
 
Home » Star Wars » Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe » Star Wars Versus Forum » ESB Vader Vs Darth Revan


ESB Vader Vs Darth Revan
Started by: laser7455

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (7): « 1 [2] 3 4 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
Final Blaxican
Restricted

Registered: Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of my evolution.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Advent
Nope, I just made it up as a late April's Fool joke...haha?


I meant to say, could you list the sources, you smartass.

Alas, thank ye. stick out tongue


__________________


Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 01:48 AM
Click here to Send Final Blaxican a Private Message Find more posts by Final Blaxican Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Advent
Just Leaving

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Gone With The Wind


 

Lucas' own words often indicate he pretty much believes Vader to be rather weak as a duelist. Everyone in the OT, actually; except for the Emperor assumedly.

What exactly does Vader do in TFU that makes him stand out so much? I really haven't been following it much. But if anything, the OT's portait of Vader is more true to character than TFU's, it being a video game and all.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Alas, thank ye. stick out tongue


I decree ye be welcome.

EDIT:

z0MG, forgot smiley! big grin


__________________


"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Sagacious Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.

Last edited by Advent on Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:02 AM

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 01:57 AM
Click here to Send Advent a Private Message Find more posts by Advent Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lightsnake
Senior Member

Registered: Dec 2005
Location: United States


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Advent
Nope, I just made it up as a late April's Fool joke...haha?

There are two sources indicating Vader was hardpressed,

1) ANH Commentary. Lucas says exactly what I wrote he said, "hard fight to fight".

2) Star Wars Insider #62, the Fight Saber article says that he couldn't break Kenobi's defenses until he let him.

So it was a stalemate in the end. As for the being equals with Luke,

1) the ROTJ comic book says it was a "battle of equals" unlike the duel on Bespin. Note that the narrator states that--if anything--Luke had the upperhand rather than Vader. As well as implying that Luke was reluctant, it outright says that Vader was giving it his all.

2) Upon turning to the Fight Saber article again, it also states as much ("able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing", this is not about when he goes batshit insane either). Also written is that OT Vader is at the height of his powers.


Oddly enough, Vader doesn't really seem THAT bad in the EU...Rise of Darth Vader, he kills quite a few Jedi, in Purge, he takes on about 4-5 at once, in Tales, he kills the Dark Woman and is, in Palpatine's words, the greatest Jedi killer in history.

In fact, the Death Star book indicates that Vader is going to kill Kenobi and he's too much for him.


__________________
Thanks to Venificus:

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 02:04 AM
Click here to Send Lightsnake a Private Message Find more posts by Lightsnake Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Advent
Just Leaving

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Gone With The Wind


 

I realize Vader is usually shown to be a talented fighter and he is, but you have to ask: against who? Did he just use his lightsaber? Did he dominate? For instance, the Dark Woman would've been out-of-practice for nearly two decades... giving her diminished skills. And Vader didn't rely entirely on his lightsaber, from what I remember. She also put up a good fight.

I'm not saying he isn't good, but hardly on the grand scale. I'm only discussing his saber abilities, mind you. In the Force, he's certainly higher up.

By the way, what does DS say exactly, Lightsnake?


__________________


"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Sagacious Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 02:25 AM
Click here to Send Advent a Private Message Find more posts by Advent Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lightsnake
Senior Member

Registered: Dec 2005
Location: United States


 

Well, with saber abilities, he's pretty darn good as Purge and RoDV showed...I mean, not balls off the wall incredible, but good enough to kill a vast majority of combatants.

As for Death Star, I don't have it off hand, but it pretty much made clear Vader was pretty superior to Obi and he was going to finish it-his strength in the Dark Side being too much for Ben.
I advise checking the book out, though. If you know where to get it online, you could point out if I'm wrong


__________________
Thanks to Venificus:

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 02:33 AM
Click here to Send Lightsnake a Private Message Find more posts by Lightsnake Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Enyalus
MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Drinking gasoline. Pissing napalm.


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Advent
Nope, I just made it up as a late April's Fool joke...haha?

There are two sources indicating Vader was hardpressed,

1) ANH Commentary. Lucas says exactly what I wrote he said, "hard fight to fight".

2) Star Wars Insider #62, the Fight Saber article says that he couldn't break Kenobi's defenses until he let him.

So it was a stalemate in the end. As for the being equals with Luke,

1) the ROTJ comic book says it was a "battle of equals" unlike the duel on Bespin. Note that the narrator states that--if anything--Luke had the upperhand rather than Vader. As well as implying that Luke was reluctant, it outright says that Vader was giving it his all.

2) Upon turning to the Fight Saber article again, it also states as much ("able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing", this is not about when he goes batshit insane either). Also written is that OT Vader is at the height of his powers.


Oh, I think I'm in love.

Marry me? Please?

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 03:08 AM
Click here to Send Enyalus a Private Message Find more posts by Enyalus Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BoratBorat
Restricted

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Lifting weights and lifting ass.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Advent


What exactly does Vader do in TFU that makes him stand out so much? I really haven't been following it much. But if anything, the OT's portait of Vader is more true to character than TFU's, it being a video game and all.

Well, being able to ragdoll an exceptionally powerful jedi, ram khota that could block attacks that were described in the ultimate visual guide as "impossible"(gideon brought this up, its somewhere in the EU section) and causually choking kota that sent a massive tie fighter facility into critical condition with one force move.

I recall him giving starkiller a very hard ass beating before ultimately crushed under two massive pillars that starkiller toppled on him, and starkiller is an incredible combatant that gave sidious an ass beating, killed hundreds of storm troopers, toppled militaty vehicles and alot more.

Vader was shown to topple massive structures on the wookie homeworld and he ragdolled starkillers father and broke his neck pretty easily.

I know this sounds ridiculous, but most of this came from the comic and novel.

But i thought lucas wanted the jedi to be portrayed that way? Like it was in the CW cartoons?


EDIT

Forgot to mention that starkiller was also an exceptional saber duelist and he couldn't really dominate or beat vader in that category.

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 06:56 AM
Click here to Send BoratBorat a Private Message Find more posts by BoratBorat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Advent
Just Leaving

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Gone With The Wind


 

TFU makes his Force powers look good, but I was referring to his lightsaber abilities. He's immensely powerful in the Force, I don't doubt that one iota. Definitely deadly and combat capable, nonetheless. Going by what you wrote, TFU proves that.

I don't think Starkiller can really be considered so great if he can't beat Vader in a duel. Like I said, TFU is a video game, ROTJ is the gospel.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
But i thought lucas wanted the jedi to be portrayed that way? Like it was in the CW cartoons?


In a lot of interviews, segments and the ANH commentary, he seems to put down most of the the OT characters. In the Prime of the Jedi interview (or at least, the segment where he mentions the PT being the Prime of the Jedi), he flat out calls Vader, Kenobi, etc. "not real Jedi".

And he pretty much has acknowledged that Vader isn't very capable against truly great duelists. He could probably beat half of the Jedi and Sith ever to exist, yes. But against the notable ones? Not so much.


__________________


"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Sagacious Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:22 AM
Click here to Send Advent a Private Message Find more posts by Advent Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Final Blaxican
Restricted

Registered: Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of my evolution.

Account Restricted


 

"Hard ass beating"? Hardly. They were evenly matched with lightsabers, at least (Starkiller sliced his respiratory system in half, essentially.) then Gavin got pissed and collapsed the pillars over him.

Every time vader won the fights it was when he took him by surprise or when Gavin was a kid... the only time that they fought 1 on 1 fairly Gavin wrecked him...


__________________


Last edited by Final Blaxican on Sep 14th, 2008 at 07:37 AM

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:26 AM
Click here to Send Final Blaxican a Private Message Find more posts by Final Blaxican Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dominis
Senior Member

Registered: Sep 2008
Location: Physically nowhere.....


 

For Yoda and Obi Wan to consider Vader to be very powerful means something. Lucas kinda contradicted himself when he said Vader and Obi wan's slow movements were caused by old age(Obi Wan) and being mostly machine(Vader), because in ESB he did not fight as slow.


__________________
"The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:36 AM
Click here to Send Dominis a Private Message Find more posts by Dominis Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Enyalus
MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Drinking gasoline. Pissing napalm.


 

Also, calling Rahm Kota an 'exceptionally powerful Jedi' is like calling me God.

As in, it's only accurate if you are black or high (or probably both).







I've been told I look like Jesus. Numerous times.

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:38 AM
Click here to Send Enyalus a Private Message Find more posts by Enyalus Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Advent
Just Leaving

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Gone With The Wind


 

People, I never said that Vader wasn't powerful! He is, but I'm sure Obi-Wan and Yoda would tool him with a saber in their respective primes.


__________________


"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Sagacious Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn.

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:38 AM
Click here to Send Advent a Private Message Find more posts by Advent Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Enyalus
MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Registered: Aug 2008
Location: Drinking gasoline. Pissing napalm.


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Advent
People, I never said that Vader wasn't powerful! He is, but I'm sure Obi-Wan and Yoda would tool him with a saber in their respective primes.


And by the transitive property, Revan. wink

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:39 AM
Click here to Send Enyalus a Private Message Find more posts by Enyalus Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Final Blaxican
Restricted

Registered: Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of my evolution.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Enyalus

As in, it's only accurate if you are black or high (or probably both).


**** the win?


quote:
I've been told I look like Jesus. Numerous times.


There was a little Earthquake here a couple minutes ago. My dog freaked out and bit my leg. Just thought you should know that.


quote:
People, I never said that Vader wasn't powerful! He is, but I'm sure Obi-Wan and Yoda would tool him with a saber in their respective primes.


Anyone who says otherwise is a foo'mo. laughing out loud


__________________


Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 07:40 AM
Click here to Send Final Blaxican a Private Message Find more posts by Final Blaxican Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dominis
Senior Member

Registered: Sep 2008
Location: Physically nowhere.....


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Enyalus


As in, it's only accurate if you are black or high (or probably both).









What is that suppose to mean?

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 08:12 AM
Click here to Send Dominis a Private Message Find more posts by Dominis Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Final Blaxican
Restricted

Registered: Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of my evolution.

Account Restricted


 

HE MEANS HE NEVAH SHOULDA GAVE YA'LL NIGGAS MONEY!


__________________


Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 08:16 AM
Click here to Send Final Blaxican a Private Message Find more posts by Final Blaxican Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BoratBorat
Restricted

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Lifting weights and lifting ass.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Also, calling Rahm Kota an 'exceptionally powerful Jedi' is like calling me God.

As in, it's only accurate if you are black or high (or probably both).







I've been told I look like Jesus. Numerous times.
LOL so your saying your black?

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 08:39 AM
Click here to Send BoratBorat a Private Message Find more posts by BoratBorat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dominis
Senior Member

Registered: Sep 2008
Location: Physically nowhere.....


 

Im black...


__________________
"The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 08:46 AM
Click here to Send Dominis a Private Message Find more posts by Dominis Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BoratBorat
Restricted

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Lifting weights and lifting ass.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
"Hard ass beating"? Hardly. They were evenly matched with lightsabers, at least (Starkiller sliced his respiratory system in half, essentially.) then Gavin got pissed and collapsed the pillars over him.
Evenly matched? Have you read what gideon typed? That vader nearly throttled starkiller to death in a saber duel and a force fight?

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 08:49 AM
Click here to Send BoratBorat a Private Message Find more posts by BoratBorat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
BoratBorat
Restricted

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Lifting weights and lifting ass.

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Also, calling Rahm Kota an 'exceptionally powerful Jedi' is like calling me God.

As in, it's only accurate if you are black or high (or probably both).
The thing is ram IS powerful, how many jedi or sith had the capabilities to crush an entire tie fighter facility with relative ease as well as block attacks that were described by the ultimate visual guide to be impossible to defend against?


By the way, you ARE god.. but only in your imagination and fantasies wink




quote: (post)
Originally posted by Enyalus


I've been told I look like Jesus. Numerous times.
That is because your a hippie and always walking around wearing robes messed

Old Post Sep 14th, 2008 03:36 PM
Click here to Send BoratBorat a Private Message Find more posts by BoratBorat Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 07:40 PM.
Pages (7): « 1 [2] 3 4 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< Contact Us - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Forum powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.