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Tarkin vs Thrawn
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MasterAshenVor
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Tarkin vs Thrawn

Who wins in this epic space battle.

Tarkin - 10 Star Destroyers + His own personal Star Destroyer, 4 Dreadnoughts + all the Tie Fighters/Bombers/Interceptors that can be carried on those ships (Star Destroyer and Dreadnoughts) plus Two wings of Tie Defenders and 1 Wing of Assault Gunboats

Wing = 12 Fighters

Thrawn - 10 Star Destroyers + The Chimeara, 4 Imperial Dreadnoughts + all the Tie Fighters/Bombers/Interceptors that can be carried on those ships. Plus 1 Wing of Tie Phantoms and 1 Wing of Tie Avengers.

Wing = 12 Fighters

Location - Kessel Space and everything in there including The Maw

NO ADMIRAL DAALA ( I know you will try the use the Maw Installation as backup for Tarkin )

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Thrawn becuase Tarkin's a fawkin ijiot


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Thrawn laughs and wtf pwns Tarkin.


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Yeah Tarkin wasn't really a tactical mastermind. He mainly dealt with the politics in the military.


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You'd need way more uneven forces than that to make it remotely near a fair fight.


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Thrawn, possibly without casualties. (don't ask me HOW, i'm not the genius, he was.)

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Thrawn, possibly without casualties. (don't ask me HOW, i'm not the genius, he was.)


Thrawn's considerable superiority over Tarkin as a military tactician notwithstanding, there are always casualties with Tarkin. Brutal, senseless killing is sort of his niche.

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Exactly. Thrawn wins again.


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Darth_Glentract
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I don't think this fight would be all that one sided actually. Thrawn's strategies are amazing, but tactics can only do so much to influence an individual battle unless there is some greater campaign. If they're just going at it, there's only so much Thrawn can do.


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What? No. Thrawn was unbeatable, despite being repeatedly outnumbered until killed by his own Noghri. He hadn't been beaten. The man was MONEY. What do you mean strategy can't effect that much? It is the ONLY thing that effects everything else.

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You totally missed what I pointed out in my post. Skimming much?

Thrawn was a master of strategy, which is more of the big picture stuff. That's the awesome stuff. Tactics, as in what happens in an individual engagement such as this one, can only do so much. Not saying Thrawns side wouldn't win, but there definitely be plenty of causalities on his side.


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I don't think this fight would be all that one sided actually. Thrawn's strategies are amazing, but tactics can only do so much to influence an individual battle unless there is some greater campaign. If they're just going at it, there's only so much Thrawn can do.


Most of what he pulled was reading exactly how a battle would go.



"Sir, should we call in reinforcements?"

"No."

"Why not?"

"Because I don't want any of them to escape."
-Paraphrased from one of his earlier battles in his trilogy. He knew how the enemy would react if two more SDs jumped in, and he knew that with his smaller force, in what looked like a much more fair fight, he could eliminate them completely. And he did. He knows where to place his ships, when to launch attacks, what priority targets should get, and how to force the enemy into disadvantageous positions and confuse them.

If anything I'd say he's a tactical genius first and a strategic second.


Now it's almost impossible to win without casualties, I don't see that happening. I do however see him still winning with a force 2/3rds the size of this one.

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Glentract: His victory in outbound flight where he destroyed an entire unknown enemy War fleet with a force numbering like 3 small vessels, on the fly makes me disagree with you. I think he has both areas of tactics handled.

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If he's given time to come up with some sort of plan, that's one thing, but if it's like bam, Tarkin and Thrawn, fight, then there's only so much he can do.


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well of course, yeah, if they are all already engaged at the outset. Then there would be casualties.

Commander's in star wars do still seem to have enough control over their capital ships to change an engagement in mid-battle though. If not, battle-meditation wouldn't even be useful.

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One of the big things about battle meditation is that it makes the individual troops fight better.


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One of the big things about battle meditation is that it makes the individual troops fight better.
Or does the exact opposite for the enemies thumb up


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To all our viewers, it appears that several of our senior nerds only recently learned what Battle Meditation is.


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I was just about to explain, but... it'll click eventually.


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