Yeah, Mustafar itself played little in to Kenobi's control of the duel. He'd had no idea the layout of the facility, while Vader did. And Kenobi still controlled the direction.
Vader will lose again.
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Vader. He was pwning him in the ROTS movie until Obi Wan got the high ground sa GL could find a way to get Vader into a suit. And don;t say something about the novelizations, since they are besed off the movies
Tough shit little man, the novelizations are free to determine a psyche and situational mindset for characters so long as it doesn't interfere with what's presented in the movies. Vader was an emotional train wreck and Kenobi used that to his leverage.
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Without any environmental obstacles to aid either of them, this would result in a VERY long battle, me thinks... I'd give Obi-Wan the nod due to the sheer defense/stamina ratio his form offers in comparison to Anakin's.
Revenge of the Sith's screenplay and novelization confirm the fact that the longer a fight progresses, unlike Kenobi and Dooku, Anakin will only become more ferocious and powerful; other duelists (even prodigious ones [Dooku & Obi-Wan]) typically become fatigued. Absent Skywalker's psychological turmoil, it is conceivable that Skywalker could eventually become powerful enough to simply overwhelm Kenobi's defenses and kill him outright.
Skywalker was clearly (and probably irretrievably) psychologically damaged by the time of his duel with Kenobi. Circumstance compelled him to go from being the Jedi's greatest hero to their greatest butcher; in an hour's time, he went from defending the Republic to slaughtering children, his former students and mentors, and generally being a Grade A Douchebag all in the name of love. The movie shows this emotional turmoil on Mustafar when, after the CIS leaders are killed, AnaVader is crying. Do you see Maul, Dooku, or Palpatine shedding tears? lulnotlikely.
Skywalker's power is clearly dictated by mindset and mental stability; Revenge of the Sith makes this perfectly clear. Dooku, in particular, is able to disrupt his access to such power through mere taunts. But when Palpatine reinforces his confidence, Skywalker is capable of slaughtering a man who is leagues beyond Kenobi.
So absent such psychological damage, Skywalker stands an excellent chance of winning. He's stronger, moar powerful, and moar skilled.
That's an issue of appearances only. If you examine things superficially, then it will always seem as those who are on the offensive have an advantage. In reality, Kenobi's lightsaber form, mindset, and tactics have always been geared towards defense; he didn't try to go on the offensive, so it's hard to say that Skywalker had the advantage.
I see what you're saying. it looks like they have the advantage. But if it is two offensive duelists, this works. I still give anakin the edge thhroughout the fight since when Obi wan attacked it was easilly fended off by anakin but when Anakin did Obi wan had a hard time
Hmmmm.. never brought this up before, but when Anakin fought Dooku, every time He lost it emotionally, he became stronger. Reining in his emotions and being clear-headed, as people seem to be advocating he do here, made him weaker, and Dooku was able to turn the fight against him (albeit briefly). Why should Anakin being under-control emotionally help him fight better? His raw emotions were the seat of his power. I would think he would be weaker if he were working to keep himself under control.
How does any of this pertain to my post? All I said is that Padme's physical presence didn't have much to do with Anakin losing.
Anywho, unless Palpatine is present in this match to reinforce Anakin's confidence, then I personally think he'd be going through the same inner conflict/turmoil you just described. Thus Obi-Wan wins (after a very long/hard battle.)
Jul 10th, 2010 12:11 AM
