Count Dooku is stated as one of the greatest Jedi of all time, and an even more powerful Sith, I believe. Not entirely sure on the correct statement. Considering TOR took place more than 3,000 years before the PT, the statement includes Malgus and Scourge. I'm not saying he could defeat them, just saying what is what.
Very few Jedi of the PT could actually put up a fight against Dooku, though. The only ones with a wide enough skill set to do so were obviously Anakin, Windu and Yoda. I don't think there's anybody else in the Order that could defeat him one-on-one, which means only top-tier duelists could fight on par against him. If you believe Malgus and/or Scourge to be on that very short list of top-tier duelists, they could put up a fight. If not, well, they come up short against the Count. Tbh, I'm not sure as to how powerful Malgus and Scourge really are.
Well both of them can at least put up a fight. For some info on them though:
Scourge has kill record of over a 1000 Force-users over 300 years. A quote from his profile in Swtor reads: "As the Sith Emperor’s personal executioner, the grimly fatalistic Lord Scourge has personally killed more than a hundred Jedi–and ten times as many Sith. Even the most powerful members of the Dark Council avoid offending the man bearing the title “the Emperor’s Wrath.”" These aren't just fodder either. Its made clear that he's sent after Jedi who've become too powerful and Sith who have become too ambitious. Furthermore, obviously with over 300 years worth of experience, he has a lot of it. The profile also claims that he can tell a persons flaws after only a brief observation.
Malgus is also a friggin beast. After Satale Shan beats him in the Hope trailer he still has enough fight in him to **** up two Jedi Knights after one of them collapses two buildings on top of him. That feat indicates that they were bloody powerful in their own right. He held the rubble up with the Force before exploding it away to survive, before killing them with the Force. He's shattered a column with a Force scream and with a Force Wave: "When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fit into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions. Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he'd rode in on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground. " His Force Pushes have killed people, even Jedi, with their sheer force, enough to crush bones and his Force Lightning is powerful enough that he killed 3 Jedi with a single usage. Against the Jedi who collapsed those buildings on him he killed him with lightning so powerful it blew holes in his chest, after he had choked his companion to death with the Force.
All of this is before he gains a massive power boost from 'becoming one with the darkside'. Where before Jedi Knight Aryn could block his lightning, after this boost, Malgus tore right through her defenses and blew her lightsabers away. He also has a powerful technique called Force Maelstrom.
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With that said, I don't think Maul could take Scourge. Actually, I'd go as far as saying Maul is the weak link here, and the possible reason of Dooku's demise.
Maul's one of the most highly trained and dangerous Sith in history (The official Star Wars Fact File, The Ultimate Visual Guide [both versions], The Phantom Menace Visual Dictionary [both versions]), a "high end master of multiple forms," and has collapsed caves, ragdolled starships and reputable Jedi Masters, and so on.
Not saying Scourge can't win, but Maul has comparable accolades and impressive feats.
I initially had a bad view of Scourge due to Revan the novel which depicts him as a weak Sith when compared to the big dogs, but after what Neph said and doing some research on my own, that view changed.
I know what's said and stated about Maul, and I do consider him to be a powerhouse. But after getting to know Scourge better, in my opinion, he could take Maul. After a hard-fought battle. And Maul is the weak link here.
I agree. Maul would certainly put up a good fight. However I do think that Scourges record speaks for itself. Over a hundred Jedi powerful enough to get the Emperor's notice and over a thousand Sith, and I think that its a safe assumption that any Sith whose ambitions caught the Emperors attention would have to be at least Lords. And when you meet Scourge in the game he's hunting down a former Dark Council member, in a fortified Republic base no less which Scourge is attacking solo.
Team 1 is too fast and too skilled. Scourge's position as Vitiate's right mand hand is well earned and his kill count speaks for itself; Malgus killed a battlemaster as an apprentice which is a decent feat, but Kao is featless, as is Ven Zallow.
Tyranus was the lightsaber unstructor in the order for some years and is known to have sparred with Mace Windu: he is a master of the form described as ''ultimate refinement of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat'' (Fightsaber) and has knowledge of all seven forms (Labyrinth of Evil), not to mention a vast array of feats such as beating Grievous, fighting as an equal with Mace Windu, one of the order's best swordsmen (Revenge of the Sith) and holding his own against Yoda, perhaps the most skilles swordsman before Luke (Fightsaber).
Maul is not lacking either. He's one of the most highly trained and dangerous Sith in history (Episode I Visual Dictionary for both) and is a master of Juyo which requires him to be a ''high-end master of multiple forms'' (Fightsaber); he's a master of Teras Kasi (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter) and was taught different unarmed fighting styles (Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to The Force). For feats, he's killed Jedi such as Qui-Gon Jinn, one of the order's best swordsmen (The Phantom Menace and Anoon Bondara who is held in high regard by Darsha Assant and Qui-Gon Jinn (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and Cloak of Deception respectively).
Skill leans in Team 1's favor by a good margin, in my opinion.
Last edited by Intrepid37 on Aug 8th, 2013 at 07:53 PM
Maul's accolades are below Scourges in my opinion. Your argument here is that he's highly trained and skilled and that he's defeated a handful of powerful opponents. But Scourge has 300 years of experience and battles under his belt and he's killed over 1100 powerful opponents. I highly doubt Maul is more skilled than him given that. Malgus is also above him in my esteem, just simply being more powerful than him. He pwned a Jedi who collapsed two buildings on him, while he was already heavily wounded. He's also displayed more powerful Force powers than Maul, all before he received a huge boost. Sidious himself refers to Malgus as one of the greatest Sith in history in his Book of Sith.
As for Tyrannus, both can give him a sufficient challenge and in my opinion Malgus has the power to beat him.
Aug 7th, 2013 09:11 PM
