Ragnos is stated to be on par with Vader physically.
Hord honestly is probably the strongest ancient. They made him so overpowered in TOR. He stomped thousands of Jedi, absorbed their essences, and brought down a Hammerhead cruiser. So I'd say above ROTS Anakin.
Ludo destroyed a giant statue by getting mad, otherwise no feats. So probably lower than Yoda, but definitely Jedi Council level.
Naga used all of his feats with his Corsair. Without it however he was able to possess a Jedi during TOR. I'd say he too is council level.
Nadd is impressive, he killed more Jedi with his blaster than a LS. I'd say Qui gon level.
Kun is probably lower than Vader.
Same as above.
Sion has his immprtality, however his psyche can be destroyed by Dun Moch. So Dooku could stomp him.
Traya is interesting, I don't know where exactly she would be placed so I don't know yet.
Nihilus can be destroyed by anyone who knows how to block force Drain, so below Ulic, Dooku, Vader, Yoda, Nomi, etc.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Trends. A few regular members got in with the idea and the rest of us went along with it. It tied in with the frequent notion in sci-fi of ancient, older civilizations/beings being super powerful and advanced.
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Although the Celestials could easily defeat any military force in modern SW, I'm more skeptical about the rakatans, who had savant-like advancement in some areas, but were inhibited on their reliance on the dark side (ie., limited hyperdrive technology).
Uh...that qualifier doesn't quantity much of anything.
Hord is not above Yoda, and your implication that Plagueis > Yoda is false as well.
His greatest feats are still below DE Palpatine in terms of raw destructive power.
Yeah, many people are called a Master of the Force.
Nah, I wouldn't say above Yoda, but certainly within his league. Also, Yoda would curbstomp Plagueis. Hord could be around Plagueis, maybe a bit lower.
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Ehh, Nadd conquered a planet, but I don't think he can beat Jinn.
Kun and Droma vs. Vader, I will give it to Vader. If someone like Keto can withstand being hit by the Amulet force blast, I believe Vader, who's taken much worse, can as well. And has shown to be faster. Droma's Jar'Kai would definitely be difficult for Vader, but Vader could always just blast him away with waves of force energy if need be.
Sion is hard to kill because of his rage. He's a juggernaut. However, he is going to realize that if he can't kill an opponent, why even try?
Yeah, guessing Traya should be council member level.
Nihilus can be defeated with the block Droma knew of. There's no evidence that his technique of absorbing one's life is different from the technique or the Reaper's.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Marka Ragnos was more or less Vader-ish level. As the Merchant said, he was stated to be akin to Vader physically, and on the official SWTOR site it depicts Marka Ragnos as the core role model Sith Juggernaut, like Vader would be. Marka Ragnos was also depicted as a "master of the Force" which means he's no slouch there either, though this doesn't put him on Vader's level surely. However, don't forget that his Scepter was able to blast gaping holes in Stone Walls and a direct blast would be dangerous for Vader. His Sith Sword as also imbued with some magic powers, shown when he used it in Tavion's body. And considering he became a Sith Spirit, it's painfully obvious he was very skilled in Sith Sorcery or Sith Alchemy. Whatever the case, he's good.
I'll get to the others later, way too much to type for now.
So can Vader. He can destroys solid stone walls and crush droids that hare huge. I think it depends on your interpretation whether it means force amp'd or not.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Almost all of the ancient sith are overrated, revan included. You have no idea how many times i come across people saying revan is the strongest force user, or that Tulak is the greatest duelist ever.
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