In skill/lightsaber usage Windu seems to have a slight edge. Windu has defeated Ventress, Vos, and Bulq and stalemated with Dooku/Grievous and was the 2nd best Jedi as of AOTC. Vader has defeated Sha Koon, Roan Shyrne, 3Jedi Masters with complete ease, The Dark Woman, and Cho'na Bene. I would give Windu a slight edge in sabers and a edge in speed. However in the force its clear Vader is superior. He has lifted up giant ships, collapsed trees/bridges, Force choked from across the galaxy, force choked Galen Marek, and TK'ed giant robots. Windu has obliterated a battalion of droids with a force push and collapsed a large door(Battle of Ryloth). Windu has also done some good stuff in Shatterpoint with the force but nothing that puts him near Vader. Vader is also physically stronger aswell and has the edge in durability(collapsing a cathedral on himself and surviving, and impaling himself with a lightsaber and getting back up). So I believe Vader would take a slight majority like 7/10 because he is able to hold Windu of in sabers and is clearly better with TK. At the very least it would be a 5/5 split, IMO.
Last edited by ROTJ Vader on Sep 5th, 2013 at 02:10 AM
I would say the battle begins with a stalemate even after Mace has sunken into Vaapad. However once he's able to sense Vader's shatterpoints i.e. his arms and legs, he will be able to cut Vader down. Mace was able to match Sidious blow for blow at 24+ blows per second. Now granted that was amped, but Mace also was able to keep up with Grievous' speed in spite of not being the master of Soresu. Vader's greatest disadvantage is his mobility, which a speedy combatant like Mace will be able to capitalize on.
Depends of the place.
If they fight in place like base's command centrer, when there is not enough space and things to successfully using TK, then Windu takes it, since he has clear advantage in sabers.
And if they fight in.. hangar with many ships, for example, the Vader has chances to win this fight with his TK and other force skills.
With all due respect, I think you're severely overestimating Vader, or otherwise underestimating Windu, here. Mace Windu at RotS is still above Anakin Skywalker, who is solidly a far, far far more dangerous duelist than any level his suited self has reached, even by RotJ. He cuts Vader down, vaapad or no.
It's probably true that Vader is more powerful in the Force, but necessarily by a damning margin, and certainly not when Windu kicks in his vaapad and shatterpoint.
If suited Vader was more prominent with the Force than his every-limb self, then it's not on 'any level'. Vader post-ROTS is stated to be 80% of Sidious. We can't say the same of ROTS Vader. However, I agree that overall ROTS Vader might be a more dangerous combatant than his suited version.
Sorry, I meant in terms of lightsaber combat. Vader may be stronger than Anakin or even Windu in the Force, but, as you've agree with, it isn't going to save him from the Jedi Master's significantly superior skill with a saber, especially given that his vaapad will neutralize/reverse any disparity in the Force.
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