Alternative Battle: Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Dooku and Grievous
Okay, so what if instead, Dooku and Grievous held Palpatine captive on the bridge, and Obi-Wan and Anakin faced them there?
Two alternatives:
1. Obi-Wan and Anakin succeed, the war comes to a closer end and eventually Anakin becomes Darth Vader.
2. Dooku and Grievous succeed, the remaining Republic becomes ruptured by the empowered Separatists and the Sith rule successfully without any casualties, with the combined power of droid invasion forces and Imperial clone troopers to hunt down any remaining Jedi.
What if Dooku and Grievous get droid assistance? Also, Grievous nearly killed Obi-Wan, it's just that at the last minute, his own arsenal was turned against him.
I have no idea who would win, but I see it that way:
Fact 1 - Anakin will start this fight - as in ROTS - as jedi, he wont use his dark emotions. Without a that, isn't Count's equal.
Fact 2 - Dooku probably can take out Kenobi faster, then Anakin can take out Grievous.
Jedi will charge at Dooku and Grievous. Even if Anakin will attack the Count, Dooku still will will be able to attack Kenobi by his force powers while defending himself against Anakin's blows. If Dooku will send Grievous against Anakin, he will eliminate Kenobi even faster. I don't see Anakin being able to take out Grievous in seconds.
After Kenobi's fall, Anakin will use his dark emotions. From this moment, I can see it in two ways:
1) Anakin will use his TK and will crush Grievous in seconds. Dooku will be too startled to react in time. Then Anakin will charges at Count Dooku and will defeat him as he did in ROTS.
2) Anakin will try to overcome Grievous as fast as possible in lighstaber duel, but Dooku will attacks him by the force. Anakin will be overhelmed by two opponents, and finally will fall.
Uh, no. Lol if you think Dooku'll just sit back and watch his favorite toy get played with by Skywalker or Kenobi.
Team Dooku wins. Why? Because instead of having to waste energy disposing of Kenobi, Dooku can focus on Skywalker first (perhaps sometimes needing to rescue Grievous). As long as Kenobi stays awake, Anakin won't be susceptible to DS influence.
We've seen Anakin fare considerably well against Dooku in TCW, but he always ragdolls Obi. On the other hand, Obi beats Grievous on his own... So, if Dooku is smart enough to pit Grievous against Anakin while he quickly disposes of Obi, he could then team up with Grievous and win this fight. I think Dooku would beat Obi faster than Anakin beats Grievous.
Yes we have. But Dooku comes out on top with his superior force powers. And if we want to use TCWs as an example, we've seen Grievous put Kenobi on his ass more than once. To say that Kenobi will just swoop in any day of the week and casually take the General to the curb on his home turf is pushing it.
I'm not saying that, but I think Obi-Wan would indeed defeat Grievous in the end. If we don't use TCW as an example, he stomps Grievous and Anakin stomps Dooku [RotS]. I'm just saying that Dooku would defeat Obi-Wan faster than he would defeat Grievous.
Unless you're actually saying he won't defeat Grievous in which case I disagree.
Grievous (based on what we've seen) is like a 65/35 in Kenobi's favor at best.
Dooku takes Skywalker at least 75/25 though. And Anakin isn't stomping Dooku. Not with his master right there. Anakin has only been able to give Dooku a challenge when he tapped into his rage. Without that the Count tools him.
With Kenobi there, the likelihood of him doing that is nill. Even Sidious knew that Anakin would never fall to the Dark Side with Kenobi (or Yoda) there.
Yes, he probably is about 65/35 [maybe 70/30]. Not that it's relevant at all if Dooku battles him and not Anakin. I still think that even though Dooku would win most of the time against Anakin, he'll always find it easier to defeat Obi-Wan.
Yup. Dooku can demolish either Kenobi or Skywalker before either of them can down the General. LS Anakin is overrated, he's stated to be on the same level as Kenobi.
It seems more like the common conception here is they are near-equals. Truth is, Anakin has better raw power and his saber skills are marginally better, while Obi-Wan is smarter and has more Force wisdom and a righteous goatee.
Pretty much spot on, if this is prime Grevious before the Mace incident. After that fight and this strategy doesn't work, the Grevious of Utapau would get beat faster than Dooku can get rid of ObiWan.
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Dec 2nd, 2013 04:07 AM
