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ROTJ Vader and Sith Ulic vs FE Malgus and SoD Maul
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ROTJ Vader and Sith Ulic vs FE Malgus and SoD Maul

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Team 1, Vader is the best here and Ulic should at least be able to hold his own against either.


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Could legtimately go either way.


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Team 2

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Team 1, Vader is the best here and Ulic should at least be able to hold his own against either.

Malgus > Vader

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Malgus > Vader


How is malgus better than vader


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How is malgus better than vader

Malgus have defeated and killed some excellent warriors and even absolute powerhouses with feats on par with that of Vader. Sidious recognized him as the greatest warrior among Sith in history. During Malgus's standing as a Emperor, a Strike Team of among the greatest warriors in the galaxy was dispatched to take on Malgus.

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How is malgus better than vader


Because Malgus is pretty much a faster Vader with Sith lightning and slightly weaker TK (if at all really).


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He isn't faster than Vader wtf?

Vader has moved fast enough to appear to teleport, dodged fire from AT walkers, moved fast enough to appear out of thin air, blitzed jedi, and moved fast enough to appear in 3 places at once.

Malgus has formed shields out of his blade, moved in blurs, etc. Vader is well past that. And no Malgus has excellent TK feats, but Vader's is on another level from his and among the best in the mythos. He is more skilled and would beat him in any duel.


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Those aren't Malgus' best speed feats, though.

Doubt there's an edge either way in that category.


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Those aren't Malgus' best speed feats, though.

Doubt there's an edge either way in that category.


What are his better ones?


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Blitzing Jedi easily, perceiving dozens of blaster bolts in slow motion, creating a "glittering arc" of light while injured and pre-prime, engaging the entire strike team simultaneously etc


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Malgus have defeated and killed some excellent warriors and even absolute powerhouses with feats on par with that of Vader. Sidious recognized him as the greatest warrior among Sith in history. During Malgus's standing as a Emperor, a Strike Team of among the greatest warriors in the galaxy was dispatched to take on Malgus.


All of that doesn't help since vader outmatches malgus in their core forms djem so and vader has many other forms at his disposal while malgus doesn't has better force abilities and don't you say malgus has lightning we'll it won't help since vader could block with his lightsaber and his suit also has electrical protection so malbus is completely outclassed by vader and when did sidious say that he was one of the greatest sith Warriors of all time not saying it not true but when and why would that matter when vader could defeat windu an dooku who could definitly defeat malgus so reanLye yourself


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Vader also has disadvantages that impede his abilities. So even if he has a stronger knowledge of lightsaber forms, can you say for certain he'd be better at implementing them given his disabilities?


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His disabilities that became his strength, actually, read Rise of Darth Vader. Furthermore Vader is vastly stronger in TK, lifting and crushing an AT-AT. His Force defese is more than enough to block Force Lightning, TFU Vader was somewhat capable of absorbing much stronger lightning from Starkiller. ROTJ Vader is better in every way.

His lightsaber ability is beyond Mace Windu and Count Dooku, two far more skilled opponents than Malgus and two of the greatest ever.

Where the hell are people getting the idea that Malgus is Vader tier from?


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Vader isn't "far above" Dooku or Windu as a duelist lmao


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His disabilities that became his strength, actually, read Rise of Darth Vader. Furthermore Vader is vastly stronger in TK, lifting and crushing an AT-AT. His Force defese is more than enough to block Force Lightning, TFU Vader was somewhat capable of absorbing much stronger lightning from Starkiller. ROTJ Vader is better in every way.


Darth Malgus has force screamed down starfighters, overpowered Jedi who could collapse entire buildings, and easily overpower Jedi all far before his prime. While Vader is better in TK its the only field he's better in. Malgus' lightning is nothing to sneeze at either. It was easily able to kill 3 Jedi at once with a single one handed blast. Not to mention Force Malestrom is OP as ****.

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His lightsaber ability is beyond Mace Windu and Count Dooku, two far more skilled opponents than Malgus and two of the greatest ever.


No its not. Vader is more powerful than Mace and Dooku, but no where is it ever hinted or even implied that his swordmanship is superior. Vader couldn't even defeat worn withered Kenobi. Nor could he defeat Luke.

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Where the hell are people getting the idea that Malgus is Vader tier from?


Dude is easily the second most powerful Sith of his generation. Don't pretend like he's some phebe. +Most people have granted him wins over the Count. That puts him in Vader's league.


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Darth Malgus has force screamed down starfighters, overpowered Jedi who could collapse entire buildings, and easily overpower Jedi all far before his prime. While Vader is better in TK its the only field he's better in. Malgus' lightning is nothing to sneeze at either. It was easily able to kill 3 Jedi at once with a single one handed blast. Not to mention Force Malestrom is OP as ****.



No its not. Vader is more powerful than Mace and Dooku, but no where is it ever hinted or even implied that his swordmanship is superior. Vader couldn't even defeat worn withered Kenobi. Nor could he defeat Luke.



Dude is easily the second most powerful Sith of his generation. Don't pretend like he's some phebe. +Most people have granted him wins over the Count. That puts him in Vader's league.


Vader has better Tutaminis, Force Defense, Force Augmentation and rage feats than Malgus can compare to. If Decieved is your main source then I wouldn't bother because I have it on-hand.

Mace Windu believes Anakin Skywalker is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, if not the most powerful. Certainly moreso than himself after defeating Count Dooku soundly(in a duel). Before I hear a Jedi humbleness counter-argument, Mace Windu in no manner likes Anakin or his ego and yet believes this anyway. Oh and he curbstomps Cin Drallig after this let us not forget, potentially he even killed Shaak Ti in Operation Knightfall.

Now factor in that Lords of the Sith and the Darth Vader comic series refers to him as much more powerful and skilled than he ever was as Anakin. Then factor in once again that ROTJ Vader is even more powerful and skilled than that iteration was and we have a clearly far superior combatant.

Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader I, was an instance where Kenobi used Soresu and Vader's impatience against him, if Vader had been clear-headed at the time he certainly would have won.


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[B]Vader has better Tutaminis, Force Defense, Force Augmentation and rage feats than Malgus can compare to. If Decieved is your main source then I wouldn't bother because I have it on-hand.


When has Vader ever displayed Tutaminis? Deceived is FAR from Malgus' prime though, so I powerscale a good deal from that.

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Mace Windu believes Anakin Skywalker is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, if not the most powerful. Certainly moreso than himself after defeating Count Dooku soundly(in a duel). Before I hear a Jedi humbleness counter-argument, Mace Windu in no manner likes Anakin or his ego and yet believes this anyway. Oh and he curbstomps Cin Drallig after this let us not forget, potentially he even killed Shaak Ti in Operation Knightfall.


I am well aware. ROTS Anakin would whoop ROTJ Vader in a lightsaber duel. Cin Drallig isn't anywhere nearly as powerful as Dooku or Mace, neither is Shaak Ti, so this is irrelevant.
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Now factor in that Lords of the Sith and the Darth Vader comic series refers to him as much more powerful and skilled than he ever was as Anakin. Then factor in once again that ROTJ Vader is even more powerful and skilled than that iteration was and we have a clearly far superior combatant.


Again how does this state he's a better swordsman? Who has Vader ever defeated of note? In ANH he still could not break Kenobi's defenses, and this is an Obi-Wan who's weaker than his ROTS self. Its obvious that Vader's real advantage over the likes of Dooku, Mace, and ROTS Anakin is TK which he never uses in the OT. As far as swordsmanship goes he never again returned to his pre-suit levels. At best he's likely ROTS Kenobi level in that regard imo.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Darth Vader I, was an instance where Kenobi used Soresu and Vader's impatience against him, if Vader had been clear-headed at the time he certainly would have won.


I am talking about their fight on the Death Star. Where was it ever implied Vader wasn't level headed against Kenobi in ANH?


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He killed a Maul doppelgänger and has accolades of being one of the best Swordsmen in galactic history iirc. His barrier has also stopped a wall of blaster bolts and he's palmed a Lightsabers blade and absorbed blaster bolts in ESB. I'm loling @ the idea of Vader not being on par with Windu. You know the same guy that struggles with Saesee Tiin and struggled with Bulq, and for all of his almighty wank Maul who is near Vader as a duelist fought evenly with him.


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