KMC Forums - Maul v. Bane

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Zabraks have superior physiology then humans in Star Wars. Therefore, Darth Maul may have some advantage in pure physical capability over most humans.

Yup. Having two hearts, superior constitution and a head of vestigial horns usable as weapons are all edges. thumb up

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Bane is strong like a wrestler but I am not sure if he can kill a hardened Zabrak on the basis of sheer physical strength.

Especially when the Zabrak in question has outwrestled Yuuzhan Vong, Wampa's and Varactyl's without even drawing on the Force to do so.

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Both are well-trained in martial aspects of combat.

However, Maul is more than likely superior in this aspect given his extensive training and mastery of a wide range of unarmed martial arts.

At the age of three Maul is able to pinpoint the vulnerabilities in the anatomy of nearly every species on Mustafar, including the humanoid Mustafarians themselves.

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"However, Maul had learned much during his time with the droid in the training room. The room had special exercise equipment and weapons, as well as computer consoles that had been programmed to educate and challenge Maul's mind and mechanical abilities. He could identify hundreds of star systems, assemble complicated three-dimensional puzzles, and pinpoint the vulnerabilities of nearly every native creature on Mustafar."

―The Wrath of Darth Maul

And that's before he even began training at the Orsis Academy (around age 7).. which is essentially the most elite academy in the galaxy in terms of unarmed training. He was trained directly by Trezza, someone who has trained all manners of elite fighters for over a century. Also worth noting? Maul was strictly prohibited at all times from revealing that he was a Force user, and therefore wouldn't draw on Force augmentation at any point during his training at Orsis.

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"This is a momentous occasion," Sidious said solemnly as he dragged his finger around the rim of his goblet. "Because my presence is increasingly required on other worlds, I have arranged for you to attend the Academy on the planet Orsis. It is an institution for training paramilitaries for planetary governments. They also train intelligence agents, mercenaries, and assassins, as well as supplying professional combatants for the gladiatorial arenas. It's a very exclusive school. To be an Orsis cadet is considered quite an honor."

Maul was astonished. The prospect of leaving Mustafar and attending a school with other students was almost overwhelming. "The director of the Academy," Sidious continued, "is a Falleen named Trezza. He's a bit short and almost two hundred years old, but do not let that fool you. He is as tough as they come, and mind tricks will not work on him.�
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"You may use your name, but there is one catch, and this is very important. You are not allowed to use your Force powers on Orsis unless you are alone with me, and unless I grant you permission. When time allows, I will continue to train you in the ways of the Force while you are on Orsis, but you must never use your powers against any other students or faculty members under any circumstances. You must never even talk about your powers to anyone else on Orsis. If you disobey this command, the consequences will be most dire. Understood?"

"Yes, Master." He knew what dire meant.

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"We shall take excellent care of Maul."

Sidious grimaced. "I wouldn't want you to show him any favoritism."

"Of course not," Trezza said. "I mean only that he will receive the very best education in the arts of combat."

―The Wrath of Darth Maul

At the age of seven, Maul leaves a teenaged Orsis Cadet convulsing from nerve strikes. Abyssin's are particularly huge, muscular beings without being trained fighters to boot.

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Dalok tried to roll away from Maul, but Maul stayed on him, slamming and driving his knees into the nerve dusters in the Abyssin's shoulders. Dalok was flat on his back as he convulsed, his arms flopping uselessly beside him Dalok passed out.
―The Wrath of Darth Maul

At the age of ten Maul was entered into a series of gladiatorial fights to the death through the Orsis academy, able to win against all odds, which likely involved facing older and more experienced competition, and becoming a champion gladiator at the age of twelve. This would have been done with Maul restricting his usage of the Force outside of his passive senses and strength.
[quote]Sidious recalled the voyages he had taken ten years earlier to watch Maul fight in gladiatorial matches on Orsis and nearby worlds. Driven to win against all odds, unaffected by pain, daring, and terrifying. An up-and-coming contender at ten years of age and a champion at twelve. Under the markings that masked his face, sleeved his arms, and twisted around his legs and torso, the scars of those battles to the death.

But this one will not be content until he has killed a Jedi Master, Sidious thought.

―Darth Plagueis

At the age of thirteen, Maul is already considered a master of numerous martial arts by the Orsis Academy.

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Six years had passed since his arrival on Orsis. Taller and stronger, he still did not know his own age, but based on his observations of similar humanoids, he assumed he was about thirteen years old. Although he was already considered a master of numerous martial arts, he still had difficulty working as part of a team.

―The Wrath of Darth Maul

By the time Maul was thirteen, he had been at Orsis for 6 year - he had already learned everything he possibly could from the 8 year enrolment he was scheduled to take part in. To fill the two year gap he spent those next years training directly under Meltch Krakko, one of the most renowned Death Watch Mandalorians in the galaxy.

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"Not at all. On the contrary, I've met a few very accomplished bounty hunters in my time," Sidious stroked his chin thoughtfully. "I've heard your instructors include a Mandalorian who once fought Jedi. I believe his name was Krakko. Meltch Krakko. Is it true he's the best?"

Trezza stared quizzically at Sidious's goggles, then looked back at the cadets below, "He's still among the best, but I regret to inform you that your information is dated. Commander Krakko left us some time ago, returned to his clan. As you may be aware, the Mandalorians are engaged in a civil war."

―The Wrath of Darth Maul

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"Recently, the Orsis Academy faculty and I realized we had a problem. A problem concerning you two."
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"Perhaps I should rephrase that," Trezza continued. The problem was not with you, but with our existing faculty. There was little more that the instructors could teach either of you about stealth tactics or hand-to-hand combat techniques, and yet you have two more years ahead of you at the Academy. In short, you require greater challenges than the other cadets. Now, I mentioned this problem to a certain businessman," Trezza gestured to Maul's Master, who smiled sheepishly, "Maul, your Master suggested a former instructor [Meltch Krakko] who only recently became available again.
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He saw a figure, a man who wore dark gray body armor and whose head was concealed by a helmet with a distinctive T-visor. The armored man held a dart pistol in one hand and had a missile launcher secured to his back.

A Mandalorian.

Maul knew about Mandalorians, whose warrior heritage dated back thousands of years. He also knew that two factions of Mandalorians had battled each other in a long civil war, and that the war had ended recently. And he recalled that his own Master, after their arrival on Orsis six years earlier, had talked with Trezza about [Meltch Krakko] a former Academy instructor, a Mandalorian who had once fought Jedi.

―The Wrath of Darth Maul

After this, Sidious would also personally tutor Maul in numerous unarmed disciplines regarded as "forbidden and exotic".

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[b]I took inspiration from the Jedi tradition of indoctrinating Force-sensitive infants when I selected one apprentice, whom I named Darth Maul. I took him from his home world, Iridonia, and raised him as I would construct the perfect weapon. I trained him in numerous exotic and forbidden martial arts, disciplined him constantly, and personally applied the Sith tattoos that were evidence of his complete dedication to the dark side.

―Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

And to really put the cherry on Maul's cake, we can discuss how Plagueis judged his speed to be "astonishing", and his fists and feet to be as lethal as his lightsaber blade (in reference to the metal droids he was tearing apart).

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"You have made him fearsome," Plagueis remarked without turning from the recording, as the athletic Zabrak cleaved a Colicoid Eradicator droid down the middle and whirled to cut two others in half. The yellow-eyed humanoid's hairless head bore a crown of small horns and geometrical patterns of black and red markings.

"Fearless, as well," Sidious said.
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"He was already humbled. I chose to leave his honor intact. I proclaimed him my myrmidon; the embodiment of the violent half of our partnership."
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Plagueis spent a long moment observing the holorecording. The Zabrak's fists and legs were as lethal as his lightsaber, and his speed was astounding.
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Plagueis watched as droid after droid was impaled on the opposing crimson blades. "It strikes me as unnecessary, but I won't deny his mastery of the Jar'Kai technique." Again, he turned to Sidious. "Niman and teras-kasi will never substitute for dun moch, but I appreciate that you have trained him to be a fighting machine rather than a true apprentice."

"Thank you, Master."

―Darth Plagueis

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