I think someone else actually wrote that box, so to be honest, I’m not sure what the answer is. My guess is it is a list of the most skilled red lightsaber wielders, known in canon at the time. It’s a good question for someone from the Story Group to clarify, I guess!
Speaking of Sidious Vs Vader, I just ran into someone on YouTube who thinks Vader could Force choke Sidious lol. I don't know if I've mentioned this yet, but again on YouTube, I've also ran into else someone who thought that since Dave Filoni said the Inquisitor had actually been in TCW before, the Inquisitor was The Son because he thought they looked similar. lol
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LOL. Vader IS more skilled than Palpatine. That is just logical.
1) Character/personality. Vader at his core is a fighting man. Palpatine is not. He looks down on duelling. Palpatine prefers to either manipulate from the shadows or crush his enemies with the Force. Vader has always held lightsabre duelling in high regard.
2) Palpatine had little time to train to keep his skills honed due to his position as Chancellor. Plus even if he made time who could he test himself against and how could he do so without giving himself away? Especially when, again, he doesn't even care about duelling so why would he go to such lengths to keep up his skills? Answer, he wouldn't.
3) Palpatine has never really shown much skill. Let's look at his battles:
A) Kills Agen, Tiin and Kit due to super-speed and/or stunning them with Force Scream. Notably Kit is able to parry a few blows before getting killed despite Palpatine being so blindingly fast and Kit's style is bad against single opponents. If Palpatine really was the uber-duber sword-master people claim, on top of all those other factors, that wouldn't have happened.
B) Against Mace Windu, that's a huge can of worms I'm not going to open.
C) Is outmatched by Yoda and resorts to Force powers.
D) Beats Maul and Oppress through super-speed and strength, not skill. In fact he uses a bunch of sloppy moves and techniques that he only gets away with because of his insane levels of Force-empowerment.
E) Beats Talzin yes, but she was possessing Dooku at the time, meaning she was trying to fight in an unfamiliar body and with a weapon she's not used to.
Vader by contrast has demonstrated superior duelling prowess numerous times.
There is simply nothing to suggest Palpatine is more skilled and every reason that he isn't. It doesn't fit his personality, he doesn't have time/opportunity to keep up his practise. Fanboys need to understand this.
Last edited by chilled monkey on Dec 14th, 2015 at 04:27 PM
Explain Plagueis defeating Venamis.
Muscle memory. Vos and Secura's skills were fine after having their memories erased.
A) With an edge of surprise he slaughtered three of the greatest Jedi duelists ever.
B) Fought evenly with someone fit to be included in the top 5 duelists spot, period, while he was drawing on an unprecedented amount of internal darkness.
C) Has a close to near-even duel with the most skilled Jedi ever up to that point who has humbled other great duelists, including Dooku.
D) Humuliates two highly skilled, master duelists at the same time.
E) Not even worth bringing up.
How does any of that make Palpatine anything but skilled? That's really retarded man. You're losing points for this.
Has he f*ck.
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On the 2) point, Maul is also a good example of why Force users don't need to keep their skills honed. It would only apply to those on a physical decline, e.g RotS-ANH Kenobi.
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