__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
There's certain things you need to consider with Ben vs. Vader: Vader was clearly being far more cautious, and Ben, being a Soresu practitioner, would be a lot more comfortable on the defensive; by contrast, Ahsoka being a primarily offensive duelist would not. With that being said, Ahsoka's fight still lasted longer than Ben's and Ben was still being driven back just like Ahsoka.
Kenobi also doesn't have the same advantages as Vader did against Ahsoka, like his domineering strength, size, offensive capability with the Force, etc.
Ahsoka actually got good hits on Vader in the beginning (kick in the head, Force push) and was doing well against Vader in the second portion of the fight.
But yeah, I obviously think Ahsoka would win, especially if she can replicate the first portion of the fight with Vader against Kenobi, like incorporating physical strikes or using telekinesis to gain an early advantage.
Vader was actually intimidated by Kenobi because of his defeat on Mustafar.
Kenobi's stamina also begins to flag after around a minute of fighting, in general is noted to be aged and weak, and his offense is described as "easily" blocked and repelled, whereas as Joker notes, Ahsoka was initially all over Vader.
Given that I'm inclined to believe she has a notable physical/augmentative advantage. Kenobi's skills are also stated to have atrophied after being seventeen years out of practice, so at the very least I wouldn't give him an advantage in that regard.
It stands to reason that Kenobi's Force ability has atrophied as well, so with Ahsoka capable of KOing Inquisitors with her Force pushes, and if she is anywhere near Maul-level ability in the Force, I'd warrant she can exert a telekinetic edge here. Her opponent certainly won't be.
Altogether, I imagine Ahsoka will push Kenobi onto the defensive, keep him there, and once his stamina begins to wane she'll follow through.
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Last edited by Beniboybling on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 09:58 AM
@Beni - It's just too bad that Ahsoka doesn't have Vader's raw Force reserves or physical strength.
As for "It stands to reason that Kenobi's Force ability has atrophied as well":
Where is he? How could he vanish? What sort of trickery is this? He had assumed Obi-Wan's study of the Force had ended long ago, and that his powers had diminished over time. But Vader was wrong.
-- ANH Junior novelization
Ahsoka also doesn't share Vader's near-encyclopedic knowledge of Soresu which was gained from sparring with Obi-Wan thousands of times and fighting with him in an uncountable number of battles throughout the Clone Wars.
Also, do any Canon sources directly state that Ben Kenobi atrophied in skill?
Last edited by SunRazer on Apr 3rd, 2016 at 10:11 AM
My point is that Ahsoka isn't going to be able to do what Vader did to Obi-Wan. She doesn't share his advantages, just as Obi-Wan doesn't share Vader's against her. You can't bring up the latter while pretending the former doesn't exist.
I feel stupid for asking this (forgive my memory block), but where does he say this, exactly?
And I never said she could. "We'd seen old men, young boys, and characters who were half-droid, but we'd never seen a Jedi in his prime. I wanted to do that with a fight that was faster and more dynamic - and we were able to pull that off."
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Apr 3rd, 2016 01:18 AM
"We'd seen old men, young boys, and characters who were half-droid, but we'd never seen a Jedi in his prime. I wanted to do that with a fight that was faster and more dynamic - and we were able to pull that off."
