They shouldn't be able to, given that the new canon seems to put Vader above Dooku, and given that Dooku would have manhandled Anakin and Obi Wan together had Anakin not gotten unusually powerful (and RotS Anakin/Obi Wan >> Maul/Ahsoka). But Vader's performance against Ahsoka was not very impressive.
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He handles their simultaneously attacking him, and then kicks Anakin to the curb while grabbing Obi Wan in the Force and chucking him across the room. That Anakin ended up overpowering him doesn't matter to the case of Ahsoka/Maul. There's no reason why he couldn't do the same thing to Ahsoka/Maul and then dispatch the remaining combatant, so you'd expect the more powerful Vader to be able to do the same. But, you'd also expect Vader to own Ahsoka pretty handily.
And then Dooku gets owned. The simple fact is Dooku can't manhandle Anakin. He never could in TCW and he can't in RotS.
And why would I assume Vader could do it? Is it not possible that Ahsoka and Maul are above the Kenobi/Skywalker "dream" team who somehow always manage to fair worse than when on their own?
Right, I acknowledged that. But the point is that Dooku >>> Ahsoka/Maul, because he could replicate his choke + kick move on them, and the remaining combatant could not pull an Anakin.
Isn't it established that Rebels Vader > Dooku? Maybe I'm mistaken on that one.
Maybe they underperform as a team, but it seems unlikely they'd perform worse than a former Jedi and a former Sith Lord who barely know one another. And individually Ahsoka and Maul appear to be weaker; collectively they may be weaker than Anakin alone.
My point is where does the conclusion that Maul and Ahsoka are weaker than the team of Kenobi and Anakin come from? And Dooku better hope this team is weaker than Anakin alone otherwise he likely wouldn't win the duel.
It seems as though this Maul is <= his TCW incarnation, who is roughly a match for or slightly below pre-RotS Obi Wan and likely quite far below RotS Anakin. Ahsoka appears to be on a similar level. Then combine that with inferior synergy, and they should be inferior as a team.
Not really. The team just needs to be vulnerable to the same trick that Dooku used against Anakin + Obi Wan, .ie he can just take out one of the members, and then he just needs to be above both of them individually.
I doubt Dooku could take out either Ahsoka or Maul with telekinesis like he did with Kenobi.
That being said, seeing Ahsoka and Maul trying to take down Dooku would be... interesting to see. If he can't remove one of them early on (I honestly don't think he can) I see the team eventually wearing him down and scoring a victory.
He meant Dooku considering Vader hasn't taken out Kenobi.
And Vader is neither as agile as Dooku nor a master of footwork, leverage, positioning etc., so assuming Vader could do what he did because he's "more powerful" is flawed premise.
I think the team could take this, Vader evidently has some difficulty keeping up with more nimble opponents and Djem So tends only to be effective when able to concentrate of a single adversary.
I reckon Ahsoka and Maul could exploit his lack if mobility to get under his defenses and tag him until he goes down. But Vader could still win if he's able to affect a BFR or KO with his Force powers.
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Lol what are you talking about? Dooku was whooping Anakin's ass until he got cocky and tried to fight Anakin and show him a hologram of Ahsoka dying at the same time.
He was besting him via superior TK, but the Saber match was pretty even, so I'd hardly call it an ass whopping. And he even went for the kill, showing he wasn't holding back.
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I meant he never has issues with Anakin when Sidious isn't watching.
Magnaguard fight on Naboo - He was solid with him near the beginning and disarmed him effectively near the end regardless of the droids
Fight on Oba Diah - effectively drove both of them back
TCW movie - had the advantage up until Anakin kicked him in the face
He's always on the defensive when Sidious is watching:
Naboo dining room fight: Hand behind his back the entire fight; always blocking
RotS: Holding back against Anakin
TCW last season vision: Dooku once more on the defensive in front of Sidious (this is debatable)
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And I'm saying Sidious watching doesn't seem to make much difference, if any at all.
TCW Movie Anakin was an Anakin who was just recently Knighted, not long after AOTC in the new canon. So TCW Anakin at his weakest. And even he put up a decent fight against Dooku without Sidious watching. And Dooku even showed he was going for the kill there.
Then on Naboo for the Grievous prisoner exchange, Dooku required aid from 4 magnaguards to solidly put Anakin down. He clearly wasn't confident enough to take Anakin alive on his own.
So with the exception of AOTC, Dooku was never able to manhandle Anakin regardless of where Sidious was.
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Nah, I just don't think Dooku likes doing his own dirty work; not that he wasn't confident. The droids were there to safely subdue Anakin without killing him. When he resisted more than Dooku expected, he was able to quickly disarm him and later quickly overwhelm with the force as well.
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