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Kenobi vs Revan

*Sabers only


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So, after making Sedriss vs Aurra for me today, you know make Revan vs Kenobi for Ant? Interesting.

Kenobi wins by a notch, btw.


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Kenobi.


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Revan, Kenobi has superior defensive skill obviously; but Revan's skill is easily comparable and his aug is leagues beyond Kenobi's.

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Can't see OP, but Kenobi should stalemate Reborn in a duel, and take Mando wars in Force and all-out.


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Can't see OP, but Kenobi should stalemate Reborn in a duel, and take Mando wars in Force and all-out.

Sabers only.


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Originally posted by Ursumeles
Sabers only.


Elli still get's very upset about my views apparently.


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Can't see OP, but Kenobi should stalemate Reborn in a duel, and take Mando wars in Force and all-out.

I doubt it. Revan's better than Nihilus even as of MW.


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I doubt it. Revan's better than Nihilus even as of MW.


Give me a call when MW Revan holds together capital ships in light speed.


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I doubt it. Revan's better than Nihilus even as of MW.


There's one and only one piece of evidence for this, and that's Meetra's opinion. I'm not sure if that's enough for such an extraordinary claim.


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It's enough. Also:

"Revan had a mother and father, parents, ancestors, like all Jedi do. And when he awakened to his potential, I was there to see it."

The above quote makes me believe that much of Revan's power was already realized by the MW, and rather the Revan incarnations mark the greatest distinction in mastery, knowledge, and mind-set, not power.


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When did she say that?


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During the speech with the infamous "heart of the Force" accolade.


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But isn't your position predicated on the notion that Meetra has no idea how powerful post-mando wars Revan is? So how could she know if he had realized his potential?


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As per the quote, much of Revan's potential was realized even *before* going into the Mandalorian Wars.

However, I'm referring to the Exile's lack of knowledge of his notable, but not unprecedented, increase in power from the MW to later incarnations.

So Revan can be more powerful than Darth Nihilus as of the MW because much of his potential is realizeD, but also "far more powerful" when his potential has fully been realized in SWTOR:R.


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Oh, I thought that was Meetra speaking.

Honestly, I think you're attributing way too much precision to characters' language. Like, "awakened to his potential" could just mean "got a f*ckton more powerful". If we played this game with, say, KMC members, we could come to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions about people's lives. Nobody uses language to the level of perfection your train of thought requires.

This also contradicts the claims in TOR that Revan has become more powerful than any Jedi could have imagined. EDIT: oh, you edited


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Oh, I thought that was Meetra speaking.

Honestly, I think you're attributing way too much precision to characters' language. Like, "awakened to his potential" could just mean "got a f*ckton more powerful". If we played this game with, say, KMC members, we could come to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions about people's lives. Nobody uses language to the level of perfection your train of thought requires.

This also contradicts the claims in TOR that Revan has become more powerful than any Jedi could have imagined. EDIT: oh, you edited

The quote was by Kreia.

When all we have to go off of is character language, it's essential to analyze it.

I interpret that quote as hyperbole in the extent of the claim (i.e. he's not beyond imagination), but fact in regards to Revan's vast superiority over any other Jedi in history to that point.


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Doesn't it also not mesh well with Malak's claim that Revan is more powerful than he ever was as a dark lord? That could hardly apply to knowledge, given that Revan wasn't too far removed from having started his training from scratch.

Note that if you think that Malak was close to Darth Revan, the gap has to be pretty large, given that Malak presumably grew more powerful afterwards, and was amped by the star forge, and then faced a fatigued Revan.


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Obviously, Revan would have the edge with superior force augmentation, but if this is just a duel designed to test saber skill (which I have always assumed sabers only meant), it'd be a good match. Revan isn't the sort of the duelist to make the mistakes Maul and Anakin got punished for (he'd be wise to Obiwan's schtik from the getgo), so I could see this battle going on for a while with neither making any headway. Would love to see it animated.

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Doesn't it also not mesh well with Malak's claim that Revan is more powerful than he ever was as a dark lord? That could hardly apply to knowledge, given that Revan wasn't too far removed from having started his training from scratch.

Note that if you think that Malak was close to Darth Revan, the gap has to be pretty large, given that Malak presumably grew more powerful afterwards, and was amped by the star forge, and then faced a fatigued Revan.

I'm not arguing there's no power growth, but I don't think it's as big as you're making it out to be.

If SoR Revan can one-shot Kenobi, I imagine MW Revan is at least superior in the Force for the reasons I highlighted.


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