Yeah, Dooku stomps here. Season 4 Kanan miiiiight hold his own with Season 1 Ventress. And I only say that because Filoni apparently said the Grand Inquisitor is on Ventress' level (can't find the source myself, but it's been discussed on here a few times).
And I'd put S4 Kanan as around the level of the GI, maybe slightly above or below. So, yeah. Kanan miiiiiiiight be able to defeat Ventress. But it's not likely.
Who he really only beat being Oneness or whatever you wanna call it, later on he was beaten by the GI in a trial vision, heck Kanan lost to Rukh who wasn't really impressive and if he was that up there, why were the other Inquisitors a threat or even pressing him? So where's the grounds of this dueling level exactly?
Plus I kinda really take the whole "GI being Ventress" with a grain of salt. I mean are we sure it was talking about combat prowess and not like...position within the show as an antagonist?
Then again, I never really took much stock in the duels within the show, as it just seemed to fluctuate just to give out some entertainment. In fact, that's kinda how I saw TCW too.
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It's true Kanan only beat the Grand Inquisitor while in an uncommon state, but prior to that he had nearly closed the skill gap between them, as shown in their duel at the tower. As for Kanan being beaten in a vision, quite frankly, visions don't count for anything. Keep in mind, Luke easily defeated a vision of Vader, only to lose his hand to Vader a short while afterward.
Regarding Ruhk defeating him, I mostly consider that PIS l, just like Hondo holding his own against Anakin, or Maul standing idly by as Obi-Wan flips over him and cuts him in half.
As for why other Inquisitors are a threat to Kanan, the answer is simple. In a straight 1v1, they really aren't. He holds his own just fine against the 5th Brother and 7th Sister in 1v1 encounters. The only issues are when they team up, or when he is being held back by having to pick up Ezra's slack. In the Season 2 finale, we see Kanan, Ezra, and Ahsoka actively go hunting for Inquisitors, because they know that if the odds were evened out, the Inquisitors wouldn't stand a chance. Sure enough, we later see Kanan solo the 8th Brother with no difficulty, and even Ezra, who is the weakest Jedi in the party, seems to be above the 7th Sister in their duel.
Regarding Filoni's quote about the GI being on Ventress' tier, from what I read, it was a direct comparison of how powerful the two are. With the two being around the same level in power, but Ventress getting a slight edge.
As for duels fluctuating to give entertainment... Yeah? I mean, that was the case in Legends, too. Pretty much all Star Wars material does that. That's how you make a lightsaber duel engaging to watch. If you're referring specifically to "power level" of the combatants, there's at least some effort to display that in The Clone Wars and Rebels. I think scaling just isn't as consistent as a lot of people on these forums want to believe it is. There's way too much abc logic online, when it almost never actually works like that in the source material.
1) Did he? I mean Ezra for injured half way through the fight, and lets not forget, Kanan was tortured for days prior to that fight.
2) Was he? I remember that going back and forth, and Kanan taking on multiple GIs at one point.
3) Well yeah there was Rukh...
4) 1 on 1? I think the o lot one that pressed him was the 7th Sister, and he still seemed slightly better. Remember all the Inqisitors are former Jedi though.
So then it's only taking a few months now to get to a Ventress level opponent?
Holding his own is now 1 on 1, but really if he was that above them given his relation to the GI(seeing as everyone seems to think he is above them) then holding his own shouldn't even be a thing. He should be able to beat them 1 on 1 in a duel, or are we saying those Inquisitors are also Ventress/GI level now?
I don't really recall it being as bad in the previous Canon as it is now, but maybe it's just because it's on TV.
@Thor
1. That's what I recall Filoni saying right? Or it was something strange that was said on the commentary that enabled Kanan to defeat him.
I only recall him fighting the one GI in the vision, but I guess that is irrelevant as it was just a vision.
Yeah slightly better....but he has a level with the GI, who people believe are > to the other Inquisitors and who is Ventress level apparently. Yet why is he only slightly better?
Or are we suppose to believe that all the Inquisitors are near/at Ventress level because....reasons.
^ I think in all fairness Kanan is approx on par with GI, which is a bit below Ventress (apparently), but probably only slightly better than the 7th Sister (the best of the remaining Inquisitors).
It just to me then if that's the case, it kinda throws everything for a loop. Because if it's that easy, then I question a lot of duels in Canon right now.
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