Peak Ben amped by "I gotta save Leia" power-up ? Peak Ben should take it then. If we exclude that temporary power-up, then ANakin should win. Peak Amped Ben> OWK Vader>RotS Anakin>RotS Kenobi=End of OWK Kenobi
^ Yeah I meant with the Amp. I guess that could seem duh obvious because ROTS Kenobi beat him, but think most would agree Anakin was more powerful and the greater warrior.
As for OWK Vader being > Anakin, thats based solely on his own opinion right ?
It was Anakin's opinion that he became more powerful post rots in the book Lord's of the Sith, which takes place just 5 years after rots.
I think it's extremely safe to say Vader is more powerful than Anakin. Published material is what official canon is. Vader straight out says his connection to the force is stronger. On top of that, all of Vader's feats in live action, comics, and animation are far greater than anything Anakin did.
To make an analogy - I've been training jiujitsu for 12 years. I can 100% say I'm a better grappler than I was even just a year ago. It's completely acceptable for Anakin to form an objective analysis of what his capabilities are and a cept them as truth.
Well except his new Sith nature makes him arrogant. And he clearly has greater TK Mastery, so that alone would justify his opinion to himself.
Also the same Vader had the opinion that Kenobis powers were restored in the Kenobi finale. IOW he was = ROTS Kenobi (pre-Amp of course). Point being even at this point Kenobi was overpowering Vader in Sabers. So IMO thats a strong reason to believe Vader (at this point in time) was < ROTS Anakin in Sabers at least.
Also wheres the old Anakin brigade at? Dont tell me theyve all converted to the Kenobi brigade ?!
His sith nature probably does make him arrogant, but correct me if I'm wrong, no published material states how Vader's arrogance inflates his perception of his own powers. You can have that opinion, sure, but it's not grounded in published material/canon. What we DO have from published material is Vader stating his connection to the force is stronger than its ever been (just 5 years after rots), and his feats across all mediums, which far outweighs anything Anakin has done.
Yes, OWK Obi-wan was = to rots Kenobi at the start of the duel in episode 6, as stated by Vader.... And then the duel initially ended with Vader burrying him in a pile of rocks. OWK Vader > rots Kenobi. However, after he received his amp, he was able to overpower Vader and defeat him. Insider #214 states by the end of the show, they are equal in power. It also explains the reasoning behind WHY Vader lost due to his inability to overcome his weaknesses he had since his Padawan days. I'd say the power scale goes like this (IMO):
ROTJ Vader = ROTJ Luke > ANH Vader = ANH Kenobi > OWK Vader = OWK Kenobi > rots Anakin > rots Kenobi.
ROTS Anakin can loose that. He already lost to perhaps inferior version of Kenobi (though, I don't think that kenobi!Kenobi was > ROTS Kenobi).
To place ROTJ Luke above ROTS Anakin is already laughtable.
The gap between ROTS Anakin and ROTS Obi-Wan was already big enough, to place many characters. Amped Kenobi might be one of them, if you would like to place him above his ROTS self. I will not.
There is already enough of excuse for Vader, that a one more, five more or ten more doesn't matter at all. Everytime Vader is loosing, he's loosing "because his was hindered" or his enemy was "amped" or he didn't want to fight. He was, after all, THE BEST RED SABER user, most likely he would stomp Palpatine, but he din't want to be alone. Or smth like that.
Disney tell you that Vader was best, yet shows him like Lucas saw him. Good for me, its kinda fuuny how you try to excuse another and another of Vader's failures.
Okay, so it's more your opinion then. Because when I watch the show, I see no indication of his saber skills declining.
In canon, all we know about purely sabers is that he ranks above all other red lightsaber duelists in terms of dueling capabilities. Many people don't like it because they're butt-hurt Vader ranks above Sidious. If Vader and Sidious fought, we all know sids would win - we've seen it multiple times in comics. Force powers make a huge difference.
Since there's no actual material saying Vader's saber skills declined, and given what we know about how Vader ranks among his red lightsaber welding peers, then at best we can say Vader is equal to Anakin in saber skills. In my opinion, odds are his skills have increased.
I think also because Obi was Vaders/anakins master in the past he knew his style which allowed him to keep up with him.. hence sort of giving him the advantage. I still think that in the end of the OWK show that sids was right saying that he/vader became weaker and in both sabers and force when he fought Obi due to his personal feelings .. Hence i dont think that Vader was at his best.. Because then Sids will be looking for and trying to hunt for Obi wan etc and he didnt seem to care and placed no emphasis on him ... I personally think Obi in the OWK show was at the same level as he was in ROTS when he got his skills back . At times he looked kind of sloppy..
Nov 6th, 2022 07:19 PM
