How much time does he get between each fight. If he gets lots of time, I say he falls at 6, but if he doesn't get too much time, he would probably fall at 5.
Right, he 'crushes' both Simus (who he had previously had a titanic battle with (implying that it was quite close and not easy for Ragnos)) and Sadow (the ancient sith who has displayed the greatest feats of force power in the whole SW universe) after having 'crushed' six opponents including DE Sidious, DN Luke and Exar Kun as well as Ludo Kressh and Freedon Nadd at the same time. Sure thing.
Any battle that includes ancient Sith will be "titanic".
Would this be the same Sadow that Ragnos lorded over? The same Sadow that didn't even dare to challenge Ragnos? LMAO, he's Ragnos' inferior by a fair degree.
DE Sidious? He shit his pants if he saw Ragnos. A more ample question would be whether or not Ragnos would have to have all limbs for the fight.
Yep, Luke's displayed enough power to take on the same Sith Lord he was terrified of during Jedi Academy...
What? Kun's Ragnos' inferior by a fair margin.
Ragnos would crush Kressh like a bug...
Erm, Nadd's a non-factor to him. And it's a gauntlet, he takes them one after the other...
Where does it imply that Ragnos had a hard time defeating Simus? Prove up, otherwise its unsupported speculation, Sadow > all that came after him and if Sadow feared a half dead Ragnos there is nothing to suggest he even stands half a chance against him.
Your argumen is completely flawed. The fact that there was an actual duel between these two implies that they were on the same level. If Ragnos was leagus above Simus, he wouldn't have needed to challenged Simus, and Simus wouldn't have dared challenge him. You sem to think that I somehow underestimate Ragnos. I know that he is the greatest. But to pull off a duel against both Simus and Sadow would be too much for Ragnos. The Sadow that feared Ragnos was not as powerful as the Sadow that we see in Vodo's holocron. And the fear was a mixture between shock (the ancient sith had clearly never been aware of force spirits, so Sadow would have been completely shocked and anxious as to what the ghost could do - for all he knew it served a higher power and would be able to obliterate him in the blink of an eye) and the fact that Ragnos must have commanded fear in his rule. That does not mean he was even leagues above the Sadow as of GAOTS, let alone DLOTS. There is no evidence that suggests he would be able to take out both Simus and Sadow, let alone after having faced all of these other opponents and let alone crushing them.
Sadow as of the death of Ragnos is not shown nor depicted to have learnt any new techniques nor improved his force powers/dueling, he fought over the mantle of the DLOTS with Kressh and once he took it he invaded the Republic, you making a completely unsupported assumption. Where you state that he is "unaware" of the Force Spirits, consider that Ragnos was the 9th DLOTS and that Ajunta Pall and the earlier Sith lords had "Force Ghosts" your making an argument based on the miniority "the what if" part. Consider Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker, previously Luke had no experience with even the Force in ANH, yet he was not "suprised nor shocked nor anxious" he simply took it as reality, and him being a barely trained Padawan was not afraid what makes you think Sadow who commands such terrifying power will fear or become shocked of a mere ghost?
Ragnos was known to have pitted enemies against each other and HIMSELF to prevent the the Ancient Sith from expanding too close to the Republic, Simus and Sadow were against his ways. We can only speculate on the fight, you're operating on nothing but speculation, you assume that because one has challenged another, they are within the same league, however its neccesarrily the case, consider Luke Skywalker challenging Vader in ESB, there was no doubt Vader was superior, for all you know Ragnos forced Simus into that fight.
Oh i'll operate by your logic, Ragnos and Simus fought centuries ago, so your saying Sadow improves within a period of at most 10 years, and Ragnos doesnt improve over centuries? Yep great logic, if you assume that Sadow was stronger in GAOTS then i can assume the Ragnos who fought Simus centuries ago is much weaker than the Ragnos as of DLOTS.
Read the comics. They were not aware of force ghosts. I don't have time to debate with someone arguing from ignorance. And please explain what point you actually have when you say that Ragnos must have improved since his duel with Simus. Not only is that obvious, you're telling me something I already know and it has no relevance to the subject at all.
Your the ignorant one, he is not shown to have used the technique earlier because he had no need to, where does it show that he even needs his amulet to blow up a star?
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So absence of proof is proof of absence, like i said Luke Skywalker was not aware of Force Ghosts in ANH he barely knew anything to do with the Jedi and Sith.
If you state that Sadow is stronger than he was in a period of 10 years. Then its obviously assumed that Ragnos after centuries will indeed be leagues above Simus.
"Consider Ben Kenobi and Luke Skywalker, previously Luke had no experience with even the Force in ANH, yet he was not "suprised nor shocked nor anxious" he simply took it as reality."
He originally thought that he was dreaming. Ben also posed no threat to him at all and so he was surprised but not scared. Naga Sadow and Ragnos were clearly not on great terms, he had never seen a force ghost before and for all he knew, Ragnos' spirit could have done some next force attack that wipes him out in a second. He's not just going to refuse Ragnos' commands.
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