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Exar Kun and Ulic Quel-Droma were nothing special when they were jedi. Sure, Exar Kun may have been Vodo's best student in 600 years (I think) yet he still was hardly a better duelist then Sylvar. And Ulic was hardly that much better then his brother Cay or the other apprentices that he worked with. They both had little training and they were jedi in a relatively weak order. Anakin on the other hand had more potential then anyone ever in the EU, he had way better and longer training then these two and became the youngest jedi ever to join the council. The only jedi more powerful then him at the time were Yoda and Mace, who would wipe the floor with Kun and Ulic. And Obi-Wan Kenobi was an experienced jedi with the best training out of the lot and was roughly as powerful as Anakin. The pt duo easily win this.
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You have given us alot of unsupported assumptions.
"Kun was barely better than Sylvar" - And how is this so? Sylvar may or may not have been stronger than Crado and Kun demolished Crado in the saber fight.
Oh also, George Lucas did not directly refer to EU when he stated Anakin had the most potential, its up to interpretation, we do not need someone else establishing their opinion as fact.
Yoda and Mace wipe the floor with Ulic and Kun? Which Ulic and which Kun? Please do not make us assume the worse.
Honestly you have not shown how Kun and Ulic have had relatively little training, being a fully fledged Jedi Knight, Ulic was sent on various missions, and Kun was able to outduel Vodo with two lightsabers.
Ok, can you provide proof for you quotes again? "Anakin had way more training" Well unless your saying Kun was trained as a adult, which is again another unsupported assumption.
In your entire post, you have given us nothing but unsupported assumptions, speculation and a display of a fanboy's opinion, please come back when you can argue with sources.
The thing is: In Star Wars, GL = God and the EU has to follow his rules as well. However... I don't remember him making a statement. Anakin was 22 in RotS, and look how powerful he was.
Still, it makes more sense him having more potential than anyone else. Being the son of the Force and the Chosen One and all. However, it's all speculation. But I've yet to come across a 22 year old anywhere near him in the EU.
That, and Anakin/Obi's incredible cohesion.
The PT Jedi I always thought were a bit more peaceful and less "hardened" than the ancient Jedi until I read Bombarad's essay on them, now I'm not too sure. Anakin and Obi-Wan spent over 1000 hours together sparring during the Clone Wars.
Though, it's on the next page that includes Ulic - along with Nomi - just to show they are something special - and I highly doubt we could say the same for all the other Jedi Knights of the era. Here's the definition of exceptional:
ex·cep·tion·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-spsh-nl)
adj.
Being an exception; uncommon.
Well above average; extraordinary
"Well above average", and "uncommon" is a vast difference from "nothing special".
Not to mention, how can you say Exar Kun is nothing special when the next line you state what Vodo said about Kun being his most formidable student?
And here's Ulic withstanding Ommin's Darkside energy, which is impressive IMO. Also, Nadd even stating "You, you will be one of the great ones", but then again, I guess Nadd has no clue what he's talking about because Ulic is nothing special.
You're basing this off what? Crado admits that Kun is the best among them, Master Vodo admits he is the most formidable student - and seeing how it was in combat they faced, I'm sure he wasn't referring to him as a "good listener".
As well, the duel with Sylvar ended because Sylvar gave into her anger. She failed Vodo's test, I highly doubt she could compete with Kun - even as a Jedi - and live. Oh, and after her little outburst, Kun pushes Sylvar's face in with his hand, and was ready to kill her until Vodo stepped in. As well, prior to that tools Crado with minimal ease.
So again - where's the proof? Vodo, and Crado both acknowledge the fact he's the best among them. Can Sylvar give Vodo a run for his money with two lightsaber, and break his "more powerful than a lightsaber" stick? I sure don't think so.
Considering both Oss and Cay were having trouble with the warrior wielding the saber, and then a few pages forward we see Ulic dominating him with a swift blow - I'd say Ulic > Cay anyday, and not just based off that, but numerous other things that happened previous to that on Onderon.
And, really where's the proof to support anything you've made? Not saying you don't have any, but it'd be nice if you made the assertion and backed it up with a few things.
And, I'm sure with little training, Ulic can manage to block "powerful blaster rifles", and overcome a Dxun beast with minimal ease. I seem to remember Ulic dominating during that period.
To get to the actual point, Jedi Knights do not have little training. I'd like to see your proof for the statements I've quoted you on, because I clearly cannot see where you got these from. On top of that, the omniscient narrator even states "after years of training":
And, the task he [Arca] bestowed upon them was quite large anyways, I suppose he'd send Jedi with little training, right?. So, that leaves us with a "relatively weak order":
Last paragraph, "Jedi Knights are numerous and strong". Such a weak order that they produce many, and powerful Jedi. The Order at that time was far from anything "weak".
As for the actual match-up, I'd say Obi-Wan and Anakin take it after a decent match.
As Jedi, Ulic and Exar weren't at their greatest power, and Obi-Wan is wise, cautious, yet still on his feet - unlike both Ulic and Exar, who are overly arrogant, and headstrong - comparable to the way Anakin acts you could say.
The only difference between Anakin and Qel-Droma and Kun is that Anakin in ROTS is extremely proficient, and is undoubtedly more powerful than them at their Jedi states. And, of course, Anakin taps into his emotions moreso than both of them, so I would he can definitely overcome either one of them, as could Obi-Wan.
So, with all that: Obi-Wan and Anakin win.
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anakin's value here is maybe how much he tapps into the dark side, that or obiwan's crazy ability to not be in the fight somehow, jk, but i think a major thing to consider is how far anakin has delved into the darkside
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Actually every single apprentice that Arca gathers on Onderon are described as being exceptional, so the fact that quite a few of them are described in that way lessens your point. For example, you also have Oss Wilum included in that 'exceptional' group. The same jedi that wasn't able to defeat a few amateur mercs and who would have been killed if not for his master Thon. And my point was that while Exar Kun may have been Vodo's best student in 600 years, he displays nothing at all great before he turns to the dark side and actually was hardly better then Sylvar in their duel. I mean if he was so much better then her, he would have been able to prevent her from slashing his face.
I'll reply to this later.
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Not really. There's only around 6-7 out of how many other Jedi Knights? I'd bet a lot.
For the actual thing, you said he was nothing special - I proved he was - even if it includes others.
Point being? I proved more times where Ulic has shown his talent.
Even if Oss is included, how is that a weakening point? As I said, "uncommon" and "above average" is a vast difference from "nothing special". On top of that, Oss and Cay were having trouble with the warrior, and then we see Ulic own him, therefore, it goes to show that Ulic is above them either way.
What a load of bull. The duel barely lasted a page before Sylvar faced off against him. So, tell me how he was "hardly better"?
She tapped into her anger, and gave into her emotions - catching Exar off-guard as he hadn't expected a sparring partner to do that in the presence of their master, hence "You failed Vodo's test".
Great. You should've replied to the whole thing though, or at least waited, because what you responded to goes further in-depth down the list with being "nothing special", and etc.
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