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Darth Vader ESB vs ROTS anakin
ok well i saw rots vader vs anakin and that match obviously went to anakin cuz rots vader just got into the suit and cant do much.
well ok the vader during ESB is far stronger than the vader in ROTS.
vader still uses the same lightsaber technique as when he was anakin which is the shien form . the vader in ESB was also able to choke an imperial officer 8 kilometers away while he is in the executor.
while the anakin in ROTS choked padme. it didnt seem as good as the 1 in esb and it didnt kill padme. while in a duel with luke he is also at the same time capable of throwing objects at luke.
Uh, I do? Who doesn't like Anakin over Vader? Lol. If you're talking about Vader in a suit, he's pretty pathetic. He's a crippled half droid, and he's uglier than all hell. Anakin in ROTS, before being burned that is, is much cooler. He's a much better character, too. Plus, his monotone voice > Vader's cyborg voice.
Anyways, if it comes down to lightsaber dueling - Anakin wins. I'm certain OT Vader's a better Force user, studying the Dark side for twenty years, but it all depends if they depend to duel with just lightsabers - which I see no reason why they wouldn't. Anakin/Vader seems to choose pure saber duels more so than using the Force. For example, against Dooku, against Obi-Wan, against Obi-Wan (Ben), and against Luke.
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Even if Anakin was a better saber duelist, Vader would know exactly what Anakin is capable of, and have an edge in a lightsaber fight, or know to just punk him with the force early on.
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EWWWW come on!! these things i don't need to know!!!!
and i like vader more, he's got the mask and is far more intimidating that a lil pip squeak like ani
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Anakin: ROTS Anakin is a master of Form V Shien. He is incredibly quick and strong with the lightsaber. He doesn't use much Force abilities in combat, instead relying on his saber. However, ROTS Anakin is very overconfident of his skills (this is shown by how Dooku cut off his hand and how Obi-Wan sliced his body in half on Mustafar).
Vader: Vader is master of a Form V variant, Djem So. He is also skilled in Makashi and Soresu. He uses the Force more often than Anakin, with abilities like Force Choke, Force throw, Lightsaber throw, etc. In addition, his armor protects to an extent: lightsaber thrusts. However, he is much more slower and can't jump in the air (at least he doesn't want to, remembering Mustafar . In addition, Vader has a more calm mind in due to his loss to Obi-wan, therefore he won't get overconfident. Finally, Vader was a Jedi hunter during the two decades from ROTS to THN.
Winner: Anakin will go straight at him with Shien slices. Vader will use Makashi and throw objects with the other (like the ESB duel with Luke). So Anakin has to slice those objects while blocking Vader. Personally, it could go any way. Either Anakin gets tired and makes a mistake. OR Vader cannot fend off the quickness of Anakin and loses.
Personally, I go with Vader for experience wise in killing Jedi. But Anakin can win. You guys decide.
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Hmmm I saw a video of someone playing ROTS video game on youtube [lost link soz] and it was Vader versus Ani and they were both somersalting over each other like Yoda. Yeh thats the game all over but the real thing would be pretty different.
When deciding how much of a challenge Ani would be against suit Vader lets look at Vader's fights:
Luke [ROTJ] - well they both seem to be using Djem-so which would explain why it was so clunky and unelegant etc. but it looks like Luke in his rage overpowered him - rage is interesting - would Vader be fighting the same Ani in ROTS with all that rage?
It seemed also that Kenobi [ANH] did not have the skill to defeat Vader as his powers were weakened and he could't break through Vader's specialised channel defence into offense swordsmanship as well as his brute force.
I could also see Vader beating Dooku with his brute force also [probably even easier than Ani did]
Vader also beats Darth Maul at some point when he is brought back to life
I can imagine the duel between Ani and Vader looking a bit like Luke [ROTJ]. I suppose one way of looking at it would be to wonder who would win out of Luke [ROTJ] and Ani [ROTS] both on anger mode. Probably Ani as he had more skill and Luke's baseball bat swings spoke for themselves. And if Luke can beat Vader as he did in ROTJ then I think Ani could too. After all he does have the advantage of speed and flexibility [I swear Luke was doing the splits in ROTJ] so I'd say:
Ani [ROTS] barely
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i hear what akira and Vos are saying but, if vader makes a go for anik's body ani lacks the brute strength to fend that off, but yeah, its no sure win, good fight actully
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well ok the thing is Vader the man in the suit was strong but he hadnt had time to do the thing sidious did as in discovering the ancient sith techniques which i believed he could have.
vader cant use sith lightning because both his arms are cyborg, not organic and i got this source from a guide book to rots. had his left arm not hacked off he would have mastered sith lightning and that would have made him alot stronger than he is during the OT
Oh noes! Except Splinter of the Mind's Eye is hardly canon! Uh, what happened to the Kaiburr Crystal again? Nothing? It was never mentioned again? Why does Luke display a greater Force proficiency than he does in the movies? He does things in there that he can't do in the movies. Vader never lost another arm. SotME is pretty far from canon.
And explain, if you will, how Vader can use Force lightning without dying when: a) Metal is an obvious conductor for electricity, b) Vader dies by getting hit with Force lightning, because it affected his suit, and c) Nothing is ever mentioned of Vader using lightning before, in fact, SoTME is trumped by RODV:
"Yes, Vader was not precisely what he had bargained for. Vader's legs and arms were artificial, and he would never be able to summon lightning or leap about like the Jedi had been fond of doing."
-- Rise of Darth Vader, Chapter 21; written by James Luceno, 2005.
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and is far more intimidating that a lil pip squeak like ani
