To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. (PoD)
As we see from PoD, Bane describes some of the darkside techniques Revan knew as possessing awesome potential. He mentions that the force storm he used on Russan was a technique he learned from Revan. As was the thought bomb.
Revan dueled Malak while Malak was empowered by the Star Forge. The Star Forge gave Malak a substantial boost in force powers, (the said Sith Lord was already known to possess knowledge on Sith Magics, and was a very powerful duelist and force uses). What more, Revan defeated Malak twice. Malak also stated that Revan's powers in the ligthside were far more superior than his already formidable abilities in the darkside.
Using a mysterious power source as yet undiscovered (complete Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic to learn more), Darth Malak possesses extraordinary dark side Force powers (DE Sourcebook add on)
Revan was also a master of Echani precognition, an ability that in conjuction with his Jedi precognition gives him an advantage in dueling against Kyp Durron.
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While Durron may have manipulated a black hole, that is the only ability that impressed me. However this does not even translate into a dueling arena situation. Also Durron may have guided a lightning bolt into an ancient Sith Worm, but I would rank this below a full fledged force storm (as described by PoD, KOTOR.)
So in conclusion, I would state that Revan succeeds.
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Kyp might POSSIBLY be superior to Revan in the force, but none of his abilities would have anything to do with 1 on 1 combat with another powerful force user. Revan is already uber.. Add the fact that he's a saber prodigy and you have a win.
I'd actually say Kyp most likely has this, he's far too strong in the force, pretty close to Luke. He could probably crush him or something with the force, I don't think Revan's quite that strong.
@Kas'im. We know that Kyp is second to Luke in his age.. But how far is the margin of superiority? By NJO we see Luke cut through hundreds of Yuzzang Vong, whereas Kyp only succeeded in killing one slayer, with great difficulty. I would not put them both near each other...
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yea kyp is sloppish with the lightsaber, personaly i think that the old republic era jedi are much better in terms of saber combat, for the NJO id say they are better with the force but not saber wise
Very close, but Kyp wins. He's second to Luke in the NJO except maybe Jacen but he is very powerful. I would say Revan can beat him up with the saber but in the Force I would say Kyp barely wins out.
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However, Kyp is not good with the saber I have heard. And considering Revan was able to beat Malak, who said to be powerful in the Force and saber, I am under the impression that he is pretty good.
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I remember somone saying that to Advent a long time ago, and she disagreed...
You are right though. Most of the NJO was somwhat limited and stunted in the use of the lightsaber - at least in comparison with the older Jedi Order.
Kyp is pretty horrible with a lightsaber, It should be noted that at the high point of the NJO series, he got beaten down and subdued in a duel with two YV Slayers. Any of the heavy-hitters of the pre-purge Jedi Order could have beaten those two without too much trouble.
Revan wins, also, without too much trouble.
As a final note, I don't think Kyp's ability to manipulate black holes and such can actually be utilised or applied in conventional dueling.
If it could have been, he would have used to somhow against the two Slayers, to insure Han Solo dident die of that amphistaff bite.
Revan took out an entire Sith Academy on Korriban. I doubt he used the Force the whole time. KOTOR shows Revan using a lightsaber slaying Sith and using the Force at the time. In addition, he out Uthar Wyn, who's the head of the Academy. I consider Uthar to be somewhat like a battlemaster and Academy Head. Revan defeated him and then took out Uthar's apprentice as well. Plus you see Revan killing Malak with a saber ignited (Duron Qel-Droma's vision + KOTOR), and Malak was quite exceptional.
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Thats really not good enough though. For all we know these people could be as good at dueling as say Kit fisto, Or they could be as good as Mace, there's no way to tell though.
So until I actually get some real proof that Revan was some saber god, then I'm not believing it based soley on the premise that "revan was teh l33t!!1". Its pretty obvious that he had to be good at least to some extent, given what he accomplished, but currently I'd put his saber skills on par with the likes of say ROTS Obi-Wan or Cin Drallig or someone. Good, but not THAT good.
Why would his skills match those of only ROTS Obiwan and Cin Drallig? Him and Malak were the ABSOLUTE best in an order of tens of thousands. How would that NOT make him a lightsaber prodigy exactly? His defeat of Malak, although somewhat of an unknown, shows his case..
Thats not logical at all. Simply because they were the best of an order of thousands does not equate to them having saber skills on par with say Mace Windu.
Maybe they're were both uber leet force users (and we know Revan was pretty damn powerful with the force), but shitty saber duelists, and thats why they were the best of the best. You cant conclude that Revan was a saber prodigy, as its not actually a prerequisite of him being one of the most powerful people in the galaxy. At this point the evidence points towards Revan being uber powerful force wise out of an order of thousands, not (nearly as much so) saber wise.
It IS possible that he was, and so was Malak. But without any kind of solid proof then I don't just assume things. Nor do we (in this forum) assume such things. So sorry, its still not good enough.
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