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Darth Maul versus Bastilla Shan

Setting is the Hangar of the Leviathan, anything goes. Now let's try not to go too off topic like we did in the last thread, Kay?

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Once again Maul skull f*cks Bastila


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No he doesnt. Dont have time to prove it. Besides, I made a thread on this several monthes ago.


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Ok, enough with the bs and going off topic, I want someone to provide a proper case for Maul winning, just saying that he would wtfrape Bastilla isn't quite enough.

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A proper case? Ok, first before we start where are they positioned?


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We know that by the end, Malak was comfortable with using Bastila as means of buying time against Revan. With that said, I think Bastila is not getting enough credit for her abilities.

If Malak even had confidence that she can last against Revan... then we cannot simply conclude that Maul will win.

Other than that, we see Bastila capable of unleashing a full dosage of force lightning. She was chosen to lead a strike team against Revan, which again speaks a lot for her.


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ANd once again nobody can make a case for Bastilla


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That's because its hard to make a case for a vide game character that isn't shown doing a buttload of fighting in the cutscenes.


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ANd once again nobody can make a case for Bastilla


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We know that by the end, Malak was comfortable with using Bastila as means of buying time against Revan. With that said, I think Bastila is not getting enough credit for her abilities.

If Malak even had confidence that she can last against Revan... then we cannot simply conclude that Maul will win.

Other than that, we see Bastila capable of unleashing a full dosage of force lightning. She was chosen to lead a strike team against Revan, which again speaks a lot for her abilities.


What makes you think that Maul can straight out defeat Bastila? The fact that he uses Juyo ? Just by the sole fact that he has killed Qui Gon? Defeated a bunch of non force sensitives of the Black Sun? He was incapable of producing force lightning, a very simple sith attack, even Bastila was taught more. Again, I would not necesarily put him as defeating Bastila.

Then again, I have no clear position on this matter yet.


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To begin with, I'd just like to make one point. Bastilla comes from a time period where the saber staff is a common weapon, among the jedi and sith. She uses it herself, and is not only adept at using it, but also knows what it's like to be up against one. While Maul is also adept at utilising the saber staff, Bastilla has the advantage in that Maul doesn't really know what it's like to go up against the wielder of one, he has only ever faced jedi who wield regular sabers, or sparred with Sidious who also utilises a regular saber. So in terms of weaponry and forms, Bastilla has a clear advantage, and I just thought I'd like to point it out to get the ball rolling.

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Originally posted by zephiel7
What makes you think that Maul can straight out defeat Bastila? The fact that he uses Juyo ? Just by the sole fact that he has killed Qui Gon? Defeated a bunch of non force sensitives of the Black Sun? He was incapable of producing force lightning, a very simple sith attack, even Bastila was taught more. Again, I would not necesarily put him as defeating Bastila.

Then again, I have no clear position on this matter yet.



What do you mean he was incapable of producing force lightning? How do you know? You don't know what Bastilla was taught. There is no evidence of Bastilla being anything more than an AVERAGE Jedi at BEST with incredible BM.. That's it. Everything else is fanboyish speculation.


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We know that by the end, Malak was comfortable with using Bastila as means of buying time against Revan. With that said, I think Bastila is not getting enough credit for her abilities.

If Malak even had confidence that she can last against Revan... then we cannot simply conclude that Maul will win.

Other than that, we see Bastila capable of unleashing a full dosage of force lightning. She was chosen to lead a strike team against Revan, which again speaks a lot for her.



1. Being used to by time is not a indication of power, if anything its an indication of weakness, he knew even with all the SF power backing her up she would fail.

2. Every Sith scrub under the sun can do Force Lightning its no longer a SUPA SPECIAL ability it once was, Every Sith scrub in KOTOR displays the powers Bastila does.

3. Bastila DID NOT lead the strike team, her running ahead is no indication of leadership, There is no way the Jedi would put a Padawan in charge of capturing Darth Revan.

For force powers in the duel, She cannot simply keep spamming a move and any of the moves that could actually hurt Maul such as lightning would be blocked with his saber or Wave which Maul could easily power though and even if it does work she's have to keep it up since Maul would keep coming, Bastial tires and dies.

Maul would simply rush her and hack her in half, I highly doubt her "Insanity" power can even penetrate Mauls mind let alone affect him enough to give her an opening. Bastila would be WTFpwned in saber combat simple as that, there is no way in hell she could last with Maul for more then at the most 30 seconds.


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What do you mean he was incapable of producing force lightning? How do you know? You don't know what Bastilla was taught. There is no evidence of Bastilla being anything more than an AVERAGE Jedi at BEST with incredible BM.. That's it. Everything else is fanboyish speculation.


Gifted BM is testament to her strength in the force. She was also able to instantly stun both Juhani and Jolee Bindo on the spot, who were both pretty powerful in their own right.

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To begin with, I'd just like to make one point. Bastilla comes from a time period where the saber staff is a common weapon, among the jedi and sith. She uses it herself, and is not only adept at using it, but also knows what it's like to be up against one. While Maul is also adept at utilising the saber staff, Bastilla has the advantage in that Maul doesn't really know what it's like to go up against the wielder of one, he has only ever faced jedi who wield regular sabers, or sparred with Sidious who also utilises a regular saber. So in terms of weaponry and forms, Bastilla has a clear advantage, and I just thought I'd like to point it out to get the ball rolling.


So what. Bastila has never faced Juyo + Double Saber + Teras Kasi.


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Maul would simply rush her and hack her in half. Bastila would be WTFpwned in saber combat simple as that, there is no way in hell she could last with Maul for more then at the most 30 seconds.


Remember what I said about providing a proper case for Maul? I thought you wanted to prove yourself, unsupported assumptions don't quite cut it.

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Gifted BM is testament to her strength in the force. She was also able to instantly stun both Juhani and Jolee Bindo on the spot, who were both pretty powerful in their own right.



Juhani the Jedi Knight beaten by newly restored to the force Revan and Jolee "I struggled fighting shadowland creatures" Bindo. Big Whoop


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Remember what I said about providing a proper case for Maul? I thought you wanted to prove yourself, unsupported assumptions don't quite cut it.



Unsupported? I just gave you a perectly fine senario, Bastila would rely on her obvious strength in the force which Maul would overcome, Bastila cannot compete with Maul in saber combat, Maul is a Juyo Master, AND knows Teras Kasi, he was been shown to kick straight through a droid. Bastila would get owned. Period. What funny is you call me out for my argument and NO ONE has provided a SINGLE shred of proof as to how in any way Bastila could beat Maul.


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So what. Bastila has never faced Juyo + Double Saber + Teras Kasi.


Teras Kasi plays a minor part of the way he duels, I suppose because Tholme knows Anzati combat techniques, he'd be able to wtfpwn Bastilla too, correct?
Now think logically, the fact that bastilla has never gone up against Teras Kasi, alone, hardly gives Maul a real advantage, I'd pick the fact that Maul has never been up against a practitioner of the saber staff over that, simply because Teras Kasi is a minor aspect of Maul's dueling style, whereas Bastilla's saber staff form is all there is to Bastilla's dueling style, and Maul has never been up against that. What it comes down to, is that Maul has never been up against Bastilla's dueling style, period whereas Bastilla has never been up against a minor aspect of Maul's style.

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Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (Chapter 1):

Using the momentum of the forward thrust, Maul dived over the collapsing droid before him, flowing smoothly into a shoulder roll. He came up twirling his lightsaber overhead, then stepped down solidly into the teräs käsi wide stance called Riding Bantha.

Maul spun on his right foot and shot his left leg out in a powerful side kick, slamming his boot into the droid's armored chest, stopping it cold. He dropped into a squat, spun the lightsaber like a scythe, and sickled the droid cleanly at the knees. Lower legs gone, it collapsed as Maul again twisted himself and his weapon, flowing into the form known as Rancor Rising. He brought the right blade up between Chain's mechanical thighs, hard, using his leg muscles to augment the strike as he pushed up from the squat to a standing position. The force of his strike bisected Chain from its crotch right through the top of its head


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