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LordGrievous
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General Grievous vs. Darth Vader

CW grievous vs. ANH vader
3 fights
1. Saber only
2. no sabers vader can use force grievous can use his blaster and fists
3. everything
the fight is on koriban in the area with all the tombs they can't go in the tombs. oh and this is grievous before mace crushed his lungs.


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darthsith19
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1. Grievous (can stirke with his sabers 16 times per second, beat 5 Jedi at once, gave Mace a good fight, ect.)
2. Vader pwns by just using the Force
3. Close one, I want to say Grievous but it depends on whether or not he can dodge Vaders Force attacks until he engages him in saber combat. I guarantee that most other people will say vader for #3, though.


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1.GG
2.Vader
3.Vader

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Originally posted by darthsith19
1. Grievous (can stirke with his sabers 16 times per second, beat 5 Jedi at once, gave Mace a good fight, ect.)
2. Vader pwns by just using the Force
3. Close one, I want to say Grievous but it depends on whether or not he can dodge Vaders Force attacks until he engages him in saber combat. I guarantee that most other people will say vader for #3, though.


Indeed, and Vader takes 3 via the force. If he knows he cant with in sabers he'll do as he would in round 2.


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Indeed, and Vader takes 3 via the force. If he knows he cant with in sabers he'll do as he would in round 2.

But he has dodged Force Attacks before and has the ability to block telekinesis attacks, to an extent. Assuming that he can dodge Vader's Force Attacks (I doubt he can block them cause Vader's to strong) until he gets to Vader with his sabers, he'll win.


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No, I don't think GG can dodge Vader's force attack. Vader is just too strong for GG. He seemed cannot dodge some of Dooku's force attack, & he was crushed by Mace. Vader, who probably stronger than Mace, can kill GG by his force attacks.

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He seemed cannot dodge some of Dooku's force attack

When?
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he was crushed by Mace.

Yeah, cause he was on a Republic Gunship, there was nowhere to dodge to, the only way to dodge it would have been to jump out of the gunship, and then Mace could have gotten him as he was falling through the air.
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Vader, who probably stronger than Mace

Maybe, that's debatable. Overall, no, but Force Powers is debatable.


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"When?"

Probably while Dooku was training GG. Also, we can see that in CW cartoons.



"Yeah, cause he was on a Republic Gunship, there was nowhere to dodge to, the only way to dodge it would have been to jump out of the gunship, and then Mace could have gotten him as he was falling through the air."

Even if GG has somewhere to dogde, I don't think he can dodge Mace's crush.



"Maybe, that's debatable. Overall, no, but Force Powers is debatable."

That's why I said Vaderis "probably" stronger than Mace. Vader is probably stronger than Dooku in the force, who is probably stronger than Mace in the force. And Vader is 80% of ROTS Sidious. So, Vader has 99% of chance stronger than Mace in the forcelaughing

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Probably while Dooku was training GG. Also, we can see that in CW cartoons.

Probably isn't proof. We never in the cartoons see Dooku attack him with the Force.

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Even if GG has somewhere to dogde, I don't think he can dodge Mace's crush.

Why not? He dodges Force Pushes from 3 Jedi at once for a while, has dodged blaster bolts, why can't he dodge Mace's force attack?

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That's why I said Vaderis "probably" stronger than Mace. Vader is probably stronger than Dooku in the force, who is probably stronger than Mace in the force. And Vader is 80% of ROTS Sidious. So, Vader has 99% of chance stronger than Mace in the force

That's abc, which doesn't always work, but it's probably true, though Vader's isn't much stronger in the Force than Mace is.


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In clone wars cartoon, Dooku did use force to attack GG.
GG seemed didn't realize Mace's would crush him in cartoon. He can dogde force push or something else, but I don't see he can dodge crush.
Ya, there's no way Mace is stronger than Vader in the force.

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In clone wars cartoon, Dooku did use force to attack GG.

Chapter, please.

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GG seemed didn't realize Mace's would crush him in cartoon.

What makes you say that? To me he seemed surprised and aggravated that Mace had showed up and was trying to get away with the Chancellor before Mace could stop him.

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He can dogde force push or something else, but I don't see he can dodge crush.

Why not? Both are telekinesis attacks. What's to say that Force Crush moves at a faster speed that Force Push does?

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Ya, there's no way Mace is stronger than Vader in the force.

Ya, but he is close to Vader. For movies it goes Sidious > Yoda > OT Vader > Dooku > Mace


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I think it is Chapter 21.
Crush seems to need more concentration than force push & the user seldom miss their targets than force push. & Crush is probably faster than force push. See Ki-Adi-Mundi's force attack against GG in clone wars. GG has enough time to dodge it. But when Mace use crush, GG immediately got damaged.

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But he has dodged Force Attacks before and has the ability to block telekinesis attacks, to an extent. Assuming that he can dodge Vader's Force Attacks (I doubt he can block them cause Vader's to strong) until he gets to Vader with his sabers, he'll win.


It seems that Jedi or Sith who are more powerful happen to be able to aim their Force attacks so that Grievous isn't fast enough to dodge them. (e.g. Dooku, Mace, to some degree: Shaak Ti, although that was due more to intelligence rather than speed)


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1. GG, but close
2. Vader pwns
3.Vader

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I think it is Chapter 21.

Then I'll re-watch that chapter today.
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Crush seems to need more concentration than force push & the user seldom miss their targets than force push. & Crush is probably faster than force push. See Ki-Adi-Mundi's force attack against GG in clone wars. GG has enough time to dodge it. But when Mace use crush, GG immediately got damaged.

Proof that Crush is faster than push? Guessing doesn't count as proof. I have already explained why Grievous couldn't dodge Mace's crush. He was stuck in a republic gunship, he had nowhere to move. he wasn't on the ground with all the space that he needed to dodge. He couldn't have dodged a Force Push in that position, either.
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It seems that Jedi or Sith who are more powerful happen to be able to aim their Force attacks so that Grievous isn't fast enough to dodge them. (e.g. Dooku, Mace, to some degree: Shaak Ti, although that was due more to intelligence rather than speed)

Dooku never uses the Force on grievous that I am aware of. When Mace did Grievous didn't dodge it because he had nowhere to dodge to. Shaak Ti and the other 2 Jedi with her just kept throwing Force Pushes at him and then she timed hers out in correspondence with there and that was the only reason why she got him.


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No, I think GG can jump out of the gunship if he wanted to dodge. See he turns on his lighsaber? That means he may want to fight with Mace actually. But after he was crushed, he just went away. I just don't see he can dodge Mace' crush. Crush usually immediately damage enemies, while force push may not, it may depends on distance. Also, crush needs more aim & concentration coz you aim at an single person. But force push, you just push at a direction, which don't need so much concentration & aim.

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Crush would effect him because, well, that's what it does. It targets the person or object, instead of traveling towards them like a force push or some force lightning would do.


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Crush would effect him because, well, that's what it does. It targets the person or object, instead of traveling towards them like a force push or some force lightning would do.
Yes, just like what I mean.

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1. Grievous rapidly overwhelms Vader.
2. Vader pwns Grievous, with telekinesis.
3. Vader pwns Grievous, with telekinesis, and finishes him off with a lightsaber blow.

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No, I think GG can jump out of the gunship if he wanted to dodge. See he turns on his lighsaber? That means he may want to fight with Mace actually. But after he was crushed, he just went away. I just don't see he can dodge Mace' crush. Crush usually immediately damage enemies, while force push may not, it may depends on distance. Also, crush needs more aim & concentration coz you aim at an single person. But force push, you just push at a direction, which don't need so much concentration & aim.

What would happen if Grievous jumped off the gunship? Pablo Jill would have rescued Palpatine as soon as the gunship landed in the Invisible Hand, since Grievous wouldn't be there to kill him, and Mace would be able to choke Grievous as he's falling throught the air, and Grievous would die. So grievous is worse off jumping out of the gunship than staying in it. He turns it on incase Mace atatcks him with his saber, then he can fight back. He doesn't want to fight Mace, he already fought Mace earlier that same day and lost (have you read LOE?). Crush usually immediately damages enemies, but so does push, and Grievous can dodge that. Push needs just as much aim and crush, why wouldn't it, with push you aim at a single person, too.
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Crush would effect him because, well, that's what it does. It targets the person or object, instead of traveling towards them like a force push or some force lightning would do.

But it would still take a few miliseconds to close around Grievous, I see no reason why he couldn't dodge it then just like he dodges Force Push. I see no reason why Crush would close on him any faster than Push would get to him.


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