1. This is actually kinda hard, Mace had a little trouble taking out 4, not to much but he had to try and it wasn't like pwnage by any means, and this is 10, I doubt he can take out all of them with his amulet blast before they start shooting at him, so he takes out half of them and then yanks out his lightsaber just in time to block the blaster bolts coming his way, then takes out the last 5 with his saber, which takes about 10 seconds.
2. Wins pretty quickly, AOTC Kenobi would have beaten him if it hadn't been for Boba firing at him in the Slave 1, and Kenobi wasn't even trying to kill him, and Kun >>>>> AOTC Kenobi.
3. Insta-kills him with his amulet blast.
4. Saber fight, lets see, Maul takes out Qui-Gon how quick? Just over 30 seconds, I believe. Kun > Maul with sabers, he takes Jinn out in what? Around fifteen, twenty seconds, tops?
5. Maul's a bit closer to Kun with blades... but wait, Kun can just insta-kill him with the amulet, even if Maul does manage to dodge it he lasts around 45 seconds with a saber, so.
Rest: 4 hours doesn't bring Kun back to full strength, but he is at around 95% by the end of the four hours.
6. Takes them out in around a minute. Maul was about even with TPM Jinn and Kenobi - this team is weaker than they were, and Kun > Maul.
7. Insta-kills them. EU grievous could maybe dodge it but sill still die in saber combat regardless.
8. Saber duel only? Kun dies here, he's better than either individually, but not by much, together they would overwhelm him, even if he wasn't tired. It's not even to close, though he doesn't quite get pwnd.
9. Hard to say b/c of amulet, but Yoda could probably Force Push him and if Kun blockined it whole he's blocking it Sidious fries Sidious with lightning. Then Mace slices him into french fries and they eat him.
Summed-up version: Kun loses at 8, for sure, but not before that.
Well, normally Kun could take Anakin with blades, though it'd be close, but since Kun will be somewhat tired in this scenario actually Anakin could probably take him down alone. Probably, not certain, though.
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Right, and the proof of this would be where exactly? Refresh my memory, as to my (perfect) recollection we've seen him duel two individuals with lightsabers that are seemingly impressive: Ulic, and Vodo. He also has bouts with Crado, who's a spineless worm that doesn't have any skills, and Sylvar as a padawan, who really isn't anything special at that point.
Now, Vodo's noted as having 'skill of long experience', but aside from that he definitely has shown absolutely nothing that puts him on par with, or remotely near the top dogs of the PT. Ulic has some impressive displays of power, moreso than Vodo, however, it doesn't rank him above with the likes of Anakin, Dooku, Windu, and so on. And believe me when I say I know every detail of Ulic's battles, because if you've ever read any topics that I'm involved in concerning him, I take note of a lot of fights many don't even bring up ever (such as against Warb Null, and Ommin). Even from that knowledge, I still stand by what I said.
Since the DLotS battle with Ulic, he's constructed a new lightsaber, and style which would be foreign to Anakin, and the other combatants, but does that necessarily mean he'd win? No, it doesn't. Especially when Anakin shown skill (which is said to be even greater than Darth Vader's, who has displayed already vast talent -- even after being put in a mechanical suit) surpasses that of Kun's. He has a trick up his sleeve with his lightsaber (in that the intensity can be adjusted), but in ability? No, nothing puts Kun over Anakin, who defeated one of the best lightsaber duelists of the PT (and ever, really) in less than a minute after their one on one, defeated Cin Drallig in 'a few short lightsaber exchanges', among other things.
In terms of physical attributes, Kun's beastly physical strength is rather matched, or even surpassed. In speed? That's hard to say, but nothing suggests that he's any faster than Skywalker.
If Exar were to be featured in a comic book or novel against Anakin, I'd say that his capabilities surpass that of Skywalker's (actually, I'd go so far as to say anyone in the PT), but that's only unsupported speculation, and isn't viable reasoning for why he'd win. Indeed, as it appears, Anakin's better.
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Last edited by Advent on Apr 14th, 2007 at 03:01 AM
I disagree with you Advent. While Anakin's raw abilities surpass anyone including Mace and Yoda, like you said, Kun's advantage is his new saber and style and strength(although one can argue Anakin's strength is impressive). They are both saber prodigies but I don't see how it would go in Anakin's favor. Kun still has the element of surprise.
I really don't care, because you've no evidence to support that claim. So, when you find some, get back to me.
That's a wonderful conclusion [that based on those factors, he'd win].
Exar wins because of his lightsaber and style! And the crowd goes wild.
In the words of Borat: ...not.
Can Kun also beat Count Dooku purely based on that? In the same whim, can he defeat Yoda? The former who was destroyed quite frankly by Anakin, and made to look like a fool. And the latter, it can be argued, that he could match him.
If you could redirection your attention to the Dark Forces saga, foreign styles aren't the end all, be all. As shown by the neophyte Kyle Katarn when he not only defeated Boc Aseca, who uses an extremely unique lightsaber, and style, which is described unpredictable, and wild (yet still effective), but Maw, who uses a form of combat not seen by Katarn before either.
Darth Vader's style is also unique in some aspects, yet he would lose to his former self. Anakin's skill outweighs that of Kun's, and if they were equals, perhaps I'd consider it, but they simply are not.
Also, Kun doesn't have the advantage of strength. Anakin's lightsaber strikes wore Count Dooku down very easily:
"The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku's defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker -Skywalker was getting stronger. Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room; each block aged him a decade." (Revenge of the Sith novel, Ch. 3).
Furthermore, he was fit enough to hold Obi-Wan's dead weight, combined with that of Chancellor Palpatine's using only one hand to hold their position. I don't know how you came to the decision Kun's physical strength is greater. Perhaps, as great (lifting the Chancellor with one hand effortlessly, pushing a Cathar down, breaking Vodo's stick), but I wouldn't rank it necessarily better, and even assuming arguendo that it was, it's not by much -- certainly not enough to help him considering Anakin's own brute force.
Oh, thanks for your groundbreaking proof. It really helped build a strong case. *rollseyes*.
And because they're 'both saber prodigies' there's no reason for Anakin to have the more likely chance of winning? Anakin has, undeniably, more talent and ability than Exar Kun. From what we've seen of Exar, it hasn't even shown that he's near his level in dueling prowess.
Skywalker still has the better skill.
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Last edited by Advent on Apr 14th, 2007 at 04:23 AM
Kun was a saber prodigy with incredible strength who invented his own style. Anakin was a prodigy who had incredible strength. You're basing Anakin's superiority over Exar Kun because he beat Dooku? I guess tooling your master as a padawan means nothing.
Let me ask you something although i'm not sure it's a good example. Sidious went up against Yoda's Ataru and did fairly well against it. Sidious went up against Vaapad and Shatterpoint which is foreign to him, and lost. Nobody said it's the end all be all but it plays a significant role in combat.
How does Anakin's skill outweigh Kun's? Because he beat Dooku?
Ok....? How powerful was Dooku? Kun was able to lift that cute bug thing off the ground in the senate with one hand, so his strength is pretty damn considerable.
Ok wonderful, so we've established Anakin was superior to Dooku. I've seen the movie..
Was he not using his robotic hand? I've read everything on Anakin's brute force but Exar Kun's would at the very least be equal to Anakin's just because he DID break Vodo's stick twice, which was stated as more powerful than a lightsaber. Lifting the creator in the air effortlessly also speaks a great deal for his strength. I don't see how Anakin has proven to be physically superior to Kun.
Please, explain to me how Anakin has more talent and ability than Exar Kun, when Kun was already tooling his master as a padawan? You're passing off your opinion in terms of Anakin's ability, as fact.
Skywalker still has the better skill. [/B][/QUOTE]
I've already established this in my past two posts, so your point is bring it up is? Oh, right, nothing. And because Exar Kun invented his own lightsaber form, he must he better, or be able to defeat Anakin solely on that property? Yeah, that sure is viable evidence.
No, that's a big display of how masterful his skill is, but it's not the sole reason.
You're attributing Kun's superiority over Anakin Skywalker because he has a style unknown to Anakin, and because he beat Vodo (lol!)? How about you just simply prove up or shut up, as you've yet to do (and made the claim in the first place).
'Tooling'? No, he defeated him in their second bout, but as we see with a single blade during their initial confrontation, he gets put on his ass.
Also, I'd love to see where I discounted that, or passed it off as 'meaning nothing', considering I've used that in an innumerable amounts of arguments, and even acknowledged it here. So, stop acting like I did, it's foolish.
Furthermore, as I've said, Vodo has never been shown or said to have an immense amount of talent or extreme dueling capabilities, so I don't know how this means much. Care to explain?
The best he's noted for is having 'the skill of long experience'. Wow, what a powerhouse!
That's a completely ridiculous example. He did 'fairly well' against Mace Windu's Vaapad, as well. He ultimately lost, but according to the novelization...
"But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift." (Revenge of the Sith novel, Ch. 17)
...his Vaapad didn't grant him the victory. It was his Shatterpoint, which isn't a lightsaber form, it's a force 'sense' so to speak.
So, there's another instance where an alien form wasn't the reason for a win, and would've resulted in a stalemate otherwise.
We've seen on the two occasions I've pointed out where it absolutely had no effect on the outcome, as Katarn tore threw Maw with ease, and killed Boc.
And Sexy, your post implies that the only reason that you believe Kun's victory is secured because of his style (and nonexistent strength advantage).
No, he didn't 'beat' Darth Tyranus, he demolished him. One of the most powerful Jedi to ever exist since the founding of the Order itself, and 'an even greater Sith' made to look like a children's toy. Cin Drallig, who was the Battlemaster, mastered forms I-VI, and was noted for his exceptional skills (of which Dooku believed could take down General Grievous, mind you) was killed in a minimal amount of time. He beat Asajj, and Durge, who describes him as "the fastest Jedi' he's ever [met]".
Plus, the fact that he is noted as the strongest and fastest Jedi of his generation (which excludes Yoda, more than likely, as does it Windu given the context of the statement and others in the book) speaks volumes.
I did have to laugh out loud at 'that cute bug thing', but to get back on point: I already said that if you noticed in the parenthesis. However, I never said that his physical power was bad, in fact, seeing as I said it was 'as great [as Anakin's]', I don't know why you're telling me.
It is wonderful, isn't it?
No, it's the mere fact that Anakin can make a man who's 'age is rarely a handicap', who 'wore his age better than men half his age', and who was 'in superb physical condition' shut down like that. Especially in this case, because it's Count Dooku, and he excels at using the Force to conquer his limitations, much like that of Yoda, except he's in far better shape even without the usage of the Force.
"A mighty Jedi...two lightsabers against my poor stick".
That speaks for itself on the first occasion. On the second meeting in the Senate building, the stick itself was already damaged as is, if you didn't see that it was taped up from where he'd broken it before.
And still waiting on how Kun's supposed physical strength matters (given Anakin's own).
Who's 'the creator'? This isn't The Matrix, Neo.
Is there any reason you prefer to write the same thing that I say?
More importantly, as we read from the omniscient narrator in RoDV, Anakin had the ability to lift an 'adult being off the ground with his arms alone', even before being put into his mechanical suit.
I don't see where I claimed he definitely was. So, your blindness is justified. I never said that Anakin was better, so it really doesn't matter. I mentioned that Kun's power is rivaled in this scenario. Plain and simple, point blank. That's the entire point.
Albeit, you did claim that Kun had some sort of advantage, so where's Kun proved that he's more fit? Prove up.
Firstly, why don't you do what I initially asked you to do, and provide proof on why 'Anakin can't take Kun alone', seeing as you made the claim and have yet to back it up? Is this because you don't have anything to support it? Did I hit the nail on the head?
Yes, I did. You really always try to turn your faults onto your opposition, but against me, it's rather futile.
Secondly, he 'tooled' Vodo Siosk-Baas, who was never renown for his combat skills, so you'll have to do better than that.
How does Vodo compare to being able to hold back against Count Dooku, and still kick his ass? How does it compare to squashing one of the most skilled duelists in the history of Star Wars in less than a minute, when said duelists is capable of defeating people like Sora Bulq, Master Tholme, Asajj Ventress, General Grievous, and Obi-Wan Kenobi?
That's not even bringing up Cin Drallig, who he killed in a very short amount of time, and others. Seriously, Kun just doesn't have the skill to do that to anyone Anakin has fought.
Oh my Buddha.
You're so ridiculous. Like saying things like 'Anakin can't take Kun alone' without any real reasoning, and still not proving up after I called you out on it is fact.
[Darth Sexy logic] Exar Kun can defeat Anakin because he has a unique style, despite the fact we've seen several occasions where this simply is not always the case. Exar Kun is physically stronger, but that's only because I say so. Kun is better because he beat some master who was never known to have good skills. I'll just repeat Advent's parenthesized points, because I can't reply. Advent needs to prove up since I am incapable of doing such, even though I was the one who made the claim in the first place! [/Darth Sexy logic]
I like you, but you're extremely hypocritical, to say the least. Plus, you're just full of shit.
I know.
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Last edited by Advent on Apr 14th, 2007 at 07:41 AM
Interesting. To be honest, I've never thought about Anakin's skill, nor does my knowledge of him go beyond the movies, so I guess he has a good chance of defeating Kun after all.
Apr 13th, 2007 11:18 PM
