This is a pretty good match, actually. I still have not made up my mind on this one, but I don't understand how can you make threads like "ESB Luke vs Maul" when you also make threads like this one... doesn't make sense.
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[QUOTE]originally posted by darthsith19
1. In Dark Rendezvous, Asajj tells Dooku that Sidious will uss Dooku up, here's the dialogue: «He's going to use you up, Count. He'll drain the blood from you and throw you aside. He'll pick someone younger, weaker, easier to influence.»
«Someone like you?»
«I wish. No, when you go, I'll be swept aside,» she said morosely. «I'm just one of your creatures, to him. Maybe to you, too. Loyalty runs stronger up than it does down, in case you hadn't noticed.»
So, according to Asajj, she isn't good enough to be Sidious apprentice. Maul isn't only good enough to be his apprentice, Sidious actually hand-selected Maul out of a galaxy of hundreds of billions of beings. Put it this way, Sidious hand-selected Maul out of everybody in the entire galaxy, and traiend him to be a killing machine. Dooku, looking for a powerful advisary, simply found Asajj and sent her out to fight in the Clone Wars. I doubt he put as much effort into finding yet another dark acolyte as Sidious did in finding an apprentice.
2. Maul, when not at his full strength, took on Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, 2 on 1, and nearly beat them. He would have won if Kenobi hadn't gotten lucky, and he killed Qui-Gon. Asajj wasn't to far ahead of J'ai Maruk, and Qui-Gin > J'ai Maruk. Asajj also barely beat Kit Fisto, and Qui-Gon > Kit. Proof of this can be provided if necessary. And remember that this was Maul not as his full strength. The quote for him not being at full strength can be provided, if necessary, as well.
3. Maul beat Anoon Bondara, who was stated in 2 different novels to be the best swordsman in the order. Again, Asajj was barely ahead of Kit Fisto - a least half a dozen of the order's best swordsman could beat Asajj.
4. When enraged, Maul nearly killed Sidious in a lightsaber duel. Asajj was about on par with Obsession Anakin, and neither of them could almost kill Sidious in a lightsaber duel.
5. In he fought ANH Vader and nearly won - as a matter of fact, he was winning the entire time, until Vader got desperate and stabbed his lightsaber through his own body and into Maul, a move that nearly killed himself. Leland Chee confirmed the canonicity of the story on his blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/22/comments
Not only do people here put Vader above Asajj, they even put him above Dooku.
6. Physically, Asajj is very fit and strong, but Maul is a beast and has spent 22 years doing absolutely nothing except training. He is in better shape than she is and is bigger as well.
I see no reason why Asajj would win. Maul takes her.
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[QUOTE=9916791]Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]Maul beats Asajj. Why?
Just replying to this.. as it is the most flawed.
Assaj's point was that to Sideous Dooku and Assaj were simply tools, she was smart enough to realize that he held no feelings of affection, or any real feelings to either of them. Once they had overextended there usefulness Sids would have just disposed of them, then he would move on to someone younger, more powerful, and equally malleable. Enter Anakin.
Maul was no different, to Sideous he was nothing more then another pedestal with which to meet his goal. As soon as Maul overextended his own usefulness Sideous would have gotten rid of him to, like garbage, and he wouldn't have even missed him. Maul was nothing more then a pawn just like everyone else.
Asajj gave Anakin a run for his money shortly before RotS. Quite an achievement, and an achievement that Maul would struggle to accomplish. Especially since he was beaten by TPM Obi-Wan...
I highly doubt that she fought Anakin while he was in the same state of mind as he was while duelling Tyranus. Plus she is able to match Skywalker's brute physical strength much more aptly than Dooku could. So yes, if she fought Anakin in "teh zone" she would get annhilated, however her duel against Anakin in the Clone Wars is an impressive accomplishment.
And no, Dooku would piss all over her in the duelling department.
You really think that Asajj has that much philosophy behind her words? Remember, he goal during that conversation was to throw Dooku off guard so he didn't punish her for attacking Yoda without his permission. At any rate, if she did realise how little they meant to Palpatine, it doesn't matter, because she still felt that Palpatine would sweep her aside, while on the other hand he made Maul his right hand man. I believe I'm correct in saying that all Palpatine really cares about in his apprentices is power, so I see no reason he'd pick Maul over Asajj unless Maul was stronger.
Dude Maul was Sidious's apprentice. What was Sidious's goal? To conquer the galaxy, and if Maul hadn't died he would have used Maul more. Truly nobody was anything but a tool to Palpatine. Sidious would have used Maul until somebody more powerful came along and replaced him. "Just like everyone else." exactly, so let me ask you this: was Dooku a pawn? Was Asajj a pawn? Was Maul a pawn? I think you will agree that they were all pawns. So then, why was Dooku Palpatine's apprentice over Asajj? because he was stronger? And why was Maul elligable to become Palpatine's apprentice when Asajj wasn't? if it wasn't a matter of power then it was a matter of something else. Remember, Palpatine's goal was to have an apprentice that was twice as powerful as he was, and he hand-selected Maul out of a galaxy of billions to fulfill that role.