I think it's really stupid that Georgia banned teaching about evolution in school, the fact is, there is a ton of stuff in the natural world that can't be explained without evolution
well we are learning some aspects of Evolution in Bio AP class. Darwin and his ideas of evolution. i think its very interesting. i read that we are 98 percent related to the types of apes/monkies etc etc. WE are genetically related to these "apes" but phenotipically i dont think we look anything like them....by bone structure....hairiness....organ structure...etc etc
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Dave spends his life working a job, drinks beer on weeends and watches his fav sport. Dave is quite happy with this and continues this kind of lifestyle till his dying day.
Paul spends his life seeking a larger question about life. goes out and educates himself, travels wanting to learn as much about the world and as much about himself as a person, life quest, spirituality, kindness and love.
Which if any would you say has 'evolved' more during their life?
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How about Brian who spends his life drinking abeer, watching his fav sport, yet still managing to find time to use science to descover why things are and how things work in the world around him with an open mind and therefor expanding his mind and knowledge for himself and the rest of mankind. Of course, this is opposed to going around saying that things are just created and thats the way things are.
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Well the question was really asking do you think 'evolution' is now a personal choice for us?
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I don't understand whether it's a personal choice in regards to a biological change over time...but if it's environmental or societal then in all probability it is...
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Ban evolution??? Ehrm...
Why? Back to the middle-ages or... ???
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It has to do with the super-conservative right wing Christians--they don't believe in evolution because they take the bible quite literally, meaning that they think the earth and all life was created by god in a week.
You do know that Darwin even abondoned his theories later in life, right? Besides, it is just that - a theory. So, why not teach both evolution and creation as theories. They both have some scientific data backing them.
Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact.
Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution -- genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc. -- is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory.
There’s absolutely zero evidence for creationism.
Man! What’s happening to the so-called civilised world?? What, are we going to go back to the Christian world-view anno 1000? Aka Earth as the centre of the Universe?
Julibug> Actually, no, Darwin didn’t abandon his theories on evolution. The Darwin deathbed story is false. (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hope.html) And in any case, it is irrelevant. A scientific theory stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts, not according to who believes it.
As I wrote above – evolution is FAR more than just a theory. That biologists still debate over details of it is a good thing. Science evolves, mistakes are made that have to be rectified.
Can’t claim the same thing about the Bible, which is littered with wrong translations.
What scientific evidence backs up Creation?
If we start teaching young people stuff which there is no scientific proof of, what’ll be next? Astrology classes? Ghost-classes?
Separation of state and church!!!
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Omega which part of the creation theory do you mean
Because The beginning for creation says that God made everything in one week, but for the evolution side, it all started with a big bang, which know one knows where the stuff came from or why it blew up to create... life (that's gotta be the most retarded assumption that evolutionists have made)
but i got these other questions from a site, and there actually pretty good questions that i would like you (The omega) of or anybody else to answer, and of course if you have question about Creation then i'd be glad to answer them.
1. Where has macroevolution ever been observed? (See page 6.) What’s the mechanism for getting new complexity, such as new vital organs? If any of the thousands of vital organs evolved, how could the organism live before getting the vital organ? (Without a vital organ, the organism is dead—by definition.) If a reptile’s leg evolved into a bird’s wing, wouldn’t it become a bad leg long before it became a good wing? How could metamorphosis evolve?
2. Do you realize how complex living things are? How could organs as complicated as the eye or the ear or the brain of even a tiny bird ever come about by chance or natural processes? How could a bacterial motor evolve? How could such motors work until all components evolved completely and were precisely in place?
3. If macroevolution happened, where are the billions of transitional fossils that should be there? Billions! Not a handful of questionable transitions. Why don’t we see a reasonably smooth continuum among all living creatures, or in the fossil record, or both?
4. Textbooks show an evolutionary tree, but where is its trunk and where are its branches? For example, what are the evolutionary ancestors of the insects?
5. How could the first living cell begin? That’s a greater miracle than for bacteria to evolve into man. How could that first cell reproduce? Just before life appeared, did the atmosphere have oxygen or did it not have oxygen? Whichever choice you make creates a terrible problem for evolution. Both must come into existence at about the same time.
6. Please point to a strictly natural process that creates information. What evidence is there that information, such as that in DNA, could ever assemble itself? What about the 4,000 books of coded information that are in a tiny part of each of your 100 trillion cells? If astronomers received an intelligent signal from some distant galaxy, most people would conclude that it came from an intelligent source. Why then doesn’t the vast information sequence in the DNA molecule of just a bacterium also imply an intelligent source?
7. Which came first, DNA or the proteins needed by DNA, which can only be produced by DNA?
8. How could sexual reproduction evolve? How could immune systems evolve?
9. If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn’t it take vastly more intelligence to create a human? Do you really believe that hydrogen will turn into people if you wait long enough?
10. If the solar system evolved, why do three planets spin backwards? Why do at least 30 moons revolve backwards?
11. Can you name one reasonable hypothesis on how the moon got there—any hypothesis that is consistent with all the data? Why aren’t students told the scientific reasons for rejecting all the evolutionary theories for the moon’s origin? What about the other 128+ moons in the solar system?
12. Where did matter, space, time, energy, or even the laws of physics come from? What about water?
13. How could stars evolve?
14. Are you aware of all the unreasonable assumptions and contradictory evidence used by those who say the earth is billions of years old?
15. Why are living bacteria found inside rocks that you say are hundreds of millions of years old and in meteorites that you say are billions of years old? Clean-room techniques and great care were used to rule out contamination.
16. Did you know that most scientific dating techniques indicate that the earth, solar system, and universe are young?
17. Why do so many ancient cultures have flood legends?
18. Have you heard about the mitochondrial Eve and the genetic Adam? Scientists know that the mitochondrial Eve was the common female ancestor of every living person, and she appears to have lived only about 6,000–7,000 years ago.
19. Careful researchers have found the following inside meteorites: living bacteria, salt crystals, limestone, water, sugars, terrestrial-like brines, and earthlike isotopic patterns. Doesn’t this implicate Earth as their source—and a powerful launcher, “the fountains of the great deep?”
20. Would you explain the origin of any of the following 25 features of the earth: The Grand Canyon and Other Canyons, Mid-Oceanic Ridge, Continental Shelves and Slopes, Ocean Trenches, Seamounts and Tablemounts, Earthquakes, Magnetic Variations on the Ocean Floor Submarine Canyons, Coal and Oil Formations, Methane Hydrates, Ice Age Frozen Mammoths, Major Mountain Ranges, Overthrusts, Volcanoes and Lava, Geothermal Heat, Strata and Layered Fossils, Metamorphic Rock Limestone, Plateaus, Salt Domes, Jigsaw Fit of the Continents, Changing Axis Tilt, Comets, Asteroids and Meteoroids?
Aint that alot of question but like i said feel free to ask me just as many, because Creation Science isn't a religion. It's a theory, just like it's arch nemesis.
Answer the one's that you can
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well, i'm not here to answer the questions, cuz i don't believe in evolution, the biggest thing that sticks out in my mind is the big bang. So there was all this stuff that blew up, but where did it come from? And in relation to teaching stuff w/o proof, maybe it doesnt' make sense to everybody, but thats all part of faith, believing in something you can't see or touch. And on yet another note, I fear for the US and its constant struggle w/ church and state. Our country was founded on christian morals.....one nation, under God.....in God we trust.....but yet every chance we get, we try to take God out of our gov't, we are only bringing on our own distruction by doing so.
A reply to the whole church/state thing for those who are interested:
Some states at the time of the founding had established churches which all citizens were taxed to support, e.g., Virginia (Episcopalian). Others (seven states as late as 1798) restricted office-holding to Christians or certain types of Christians. But by early in the 19th century, these practices were abolished and non-establishment of religion was adhered to by the state governments as well.
The prohibitions against establishment and religious tests for public office came to be known as the "separation of church and state." Whatever they are called, they were essential to the founding of America for two main reasons. First, it was key to maintaining the kind of limited government that is compatible with liberty, or to preventing the members of a majority religion from tyrannizing members of minority religions. As James Madison wrote in Memorial and Remonstrance: "Torrents of blood have been spilt in the old world by vain attempts of the secular arm to extinguish religious discord by proscribing all difference in religious opinion." In the New World of the American founding, the secular government, rather than establishing one religion, would uphold religious freedom. As stated in the State Constitution of Massachusetts, no citizen would be "hurt, molested, or restrained in his person, liberty or estate" on the basis of religion.
The separation of church and state was thus an essential means by which government would be kept from overstepping its bounds.
The second important purpose of the separation of church and state concerns the character of religious faith and worship. In brief, in the words of the Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776, true faith and worship must "be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." Combining church and state, in other words, not only corrupts the government, leading it to violate natural rights, but it corrupts the church, leading it to a vain attempt to compel faith×vain, because true faith must be freely given.
Contrary to a common modern misconception, then, separation of church and state as the Founders understood it was not an anti-religious concept. It was aimed at protecting the purity of the realm of faith and worship as well as at preventing government overreach. This is why most of America's religious leaders from the founding on have supported the separation of church and state, and why American churches have flourished under the doctrine.
Indeed, one can see that the "separation of church and state" was not an anti-religious concept by considering the phrase's origin. The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution. Rather, it originated in a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Baptists Association of Danbury, Connecticut: "I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should Ñmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and state." The fact that President Jefferson did not mean this phrase to imply a hostile or even a neutral relationship between church and state is indicated by the fact that he ends this official letter with a prayer: "I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man."
Despite its original context, Jefferson's phrase has been widely interpreted in recent years to prohibit any and all types of government support for religion.
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Feb 9th, 2004 05:06 AM
take them both as separeate classes, since there both theories
