I was looking through my local paper this morning and there was an article on the new 'Band Aid' single, not only are Busted partaking in it (thats a laugh) but one of 'em was wearing a Tool t-shirt. I'm not a Tool fan in the slightest but it made me laugh.
You got it in one, i've seen it all boy bands trying to hang (even duet) with rock groups, tv presenters wearing rock band tops. Where will this madness end.
Given the situation that guy is in, I don't let it bother me that he listens to Tool coz he blatantly doesn't understand them.
It's so funny, you have Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, The Darkness and Paul McCartney then out of nowhere Dizzee Rascal comes in and just sound so out of place and crap that it actually removes the focus off the Busted guy wearing a Tool shirt.
Why would we be up in arms? I feel safe in the knowledge that music is accessible to anyone, just not anyone can get it. He can listen to Tool all he wants but I doubt he appreciates them as much as me and other Tool fans like myself.
Yes but you made the comment that he was a tool on the basis of him being in a boy band, for all you know he could be their biggest fan. Indeed not everyone gets their music but in all fairness not everyone gets Eminems music, or Oasis or whatever. Different music appeals to different people just 'cos you listein to Tool means nothing.
"Yes but you made the comment that he was a tool on the basis of him being in a boy band, for all you know he could get the music. Indeed not everyone gets their music but in all fairness not everyone gets Eminems music, or Oasis or whatever. Different music appeals to different people just 'cos you listein to Tool means nothing."
I don't believe he does on the basis that someone with that kinda of perception wouldn't be in Busted anyway. He is a tool being used by his record company, as are the rest of the band. Even if he did get some of the music, it wouldn't bother me because at the end of it all I know how big a fan I am of Tool and they know who their real fans are.
And what 'cos someone doesn't like Tool. Thry are automatically deemed of poor music taste or 'don't get it', newsflash maybe its because that person doesn't like the music simple as that.
If someone doesn't like Tool, great. You seem to have drawn your own conclusions as to what my views are.
I don't want everyone to like Tool for the simple reasons:
A) They're either too lazy to go out and find their own music instead of having it spoon fed to them. So why do they DESERVE to have something as great as a Tool album fed to them? Answer: They don't.
B) If everyone is gonna like Tool and just appreciate them on what's right infront of them and not delve any deeper, which most would do, then again, they should just stick to music being made for the docile masses.
But like you said in the other thread, to you "it's only music". Which leads me to believe you have a strange perception of how valuable music is or our appreciation of it are worlds apart.
And if we are drawing to conclusions, then you sir are an elitist who i hold little or no respect for. And if you ACTUALLY knew me, then you'd see what type of music i like but instead you'd rather go on stupid interpretations over me liking one band and not another, its called difference of opinions and respecting others tastes, look it up sometime.
"And if we are drawing to conclusions, then you sir are an elitist who i hold little or no respect for. And if you ACTUALLY knew me, then you'd see what type of music i like but instead you'd rather go on stupid interpretations over me liking one band and not another, its called difference of opinions and respecting others tastes, look it up sometime."
I know I'm an elitist, I don't need to be told. But you just showed me your view of what elitism is and that's not how I view it as I explained. My approach to musical elitism is extremely different.
Secondly, I couldn't really care less what bands you like so where you got the assumption that I've been guessing what bands you like, I don't know. But it seems throughout threads you keep TRYING to pick some kind of arguement up with me.
No mate thats you i've never had a problem with anyone on this site, and i've argued with many - Backfire being one of them, at the end of the day its a healthy debate no more no less, its only a problem when its made one, and quite frankly i don't see it as that.
I don't know, haven't been here for that. Like you said, best not to assume.
Regardless of our musical disagreements you are smart, I mean that in the least patronising way possible. So I don't intend the words either of us say to be taken as hostile. We're both very passionate about putting our views across is all. Perhaps now that has come to light we will know how to interpret each other better.
I'd not say I'm smart, i'd argue a point if i feel strongly for it. I can admit defeat and do not like to 'bask' in glory. Life's to short to hold grudges, you are obviously a very passionate individual who has a 'smart head on his shoulders' I'm not afraid to admit that, i can swallow my pride and acknowledge the plight of others - i to mean that not in an unpatronising way and more a form of respect.
And anyone who thinks that way is blatantly too poseur-elitist, judgemental, biased, bigoted and therefore too damn stupid to "understand" the nuances of a band like Tool.
I love to watch morons comit suicide, it's the highlight of my day.
"And anyone who thinks that way is blatantly too poseur-elitist, judgemental, biased, bigoted and therefore too damn stupid to "understand" the nuances of a band like Tool.
I love to watch morons comit suicide, it's the highlight of my day."
Let me know when you see it happen, I find it quite fun also. Love me or hate my guts, moron said to me can be nothing more than a disrespectful remark because I'm afraid that's a group I don't fall into.
But like I said, understand them fully or understand them to no degree whatsoever, the fact that he seems to like Tool doesn't "bother" me. Every band has shit fans. I know how much I like them and that's what matters to me. Everyone gets something out of music for themselves, he may get a little or he may get alot. Doesn't matter to me.
Bit presumptuous to call me bigoted and biased in with all those. I'm biased toward liking smart people, sorry. As for judgemental, I judge things that I have the right to judge. Him being a celebrity putting himself on TV for all to see, automatically gives me the right to judge what I see should I want to. But I'm not doing so wholly, like I said. Couldn't care less. I concentrate on me and certain others worth my time. The only reason this has gone as far as it has was because of my debating with Wicker Man.
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