Lucifer and Michael versus Ultra Monitor and Mr. Mxy
Can those who wrote the laws in Vertigo defeat those who govern everything imaginable and unimaginable in modern DC combined into one and the most powerful 5th-dimensional imp?
Bonus 1: if Lucy and Michael win, pit them against FP Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan.
Bonus 2: if Ultra-Monitor and Mxy win, pit Lucy and Michael against COIE Anti-Monitor and FP Barbatos.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
Because under Carey, Michael and Lucifer embodied the power and will of the Presence himself in a very literal sense(Michael WAS his power; Lucifer WAS his will.)
There aren't many character's I'd put above them, tbh. /shrug
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I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Here's my argument for Mxy and Ultra-Monitor winning this:
- Michael embodies the literal power of The Presence and Lucifer embodies the literal will of The Presence (Under Carey's depictions of the characters). How this manifests functionally is that while Michael possesses more or less infinite raw power that can be shaped into anything and applied combatively, Michael can't actually shape the power himself. Similarly, Lucifer has a more or less infinite ability to shape and manipulate energy, but can't actually summon this power himself (hence why he needs to manipulate Michael's energies to create his own Multiverse).
- Based on the above, I find Michael to be very similar to the Brothers Three Individually: i.e. each brother is an embodiment of creation that "governs everything imaginable and unimaginable" and are responsible for the entire cycle of life in the DC Multiverse, from the lowest microbe to the highest beings in the cosmos, but they can't actually shape their respective domains (as per Perpetua). Lucifer is the opposite in a sense since he has unlimited shaping powers but no inherent "power of creation" like the Brothers Three/Michael do.
- The power the Brothers Three possess individually while in their own dimension (i.e. in their true forms) is absolutely staggering, and seemingly every bit as Godlike/omnipotent as Lucifer and Michael in certain respects. Mxy claims the Brothers Three (other than Perpetua) are the most powerful beings in existence and the only beings who could exist in the Sixth Dimension (Mxy couldn't even perceive the happenings of the Sixth Dimension, much less access it until the Source Wall broke, and he is literally the most powerful embodiment of the concept of imagination). World Forger was able to create his own version of the DC Multiverse with its own New Gods and Hypertime, writing the cosmic rules for every being in said Multiverse. WF also created a dragon (Barbatos) that likely consumed countless infinities of universes, holding him as a tiny pet on his shoulder. AM and Overmonitor have plenty of Multiversal ++ feats on their own and are on par with the World Forger.
- Ultra-Monitor is pretty much what Michael and Lucifer would become if they potara fused. Not only are the Brothers Three combining the limitless energies of their respective domains (which together govern everything imaginable and unimaginable in the DC Multiverse and its higher dimensions), but they are being amped by a shard of the totality which allows them to shape their energies as well. This boost allows them to fight with an incarnation of Perpetua who was VASTLY more powerful than she was upon her awakening, during which she destroyed the entire source wall (despite the best efforts of the Justice League and Omega Titans to prevent it) and unmade various New Gods, sending massive tremors across every universe and dimension in DC. I would argue destroying the Source Wall is every bit as impressive as pretty much any feat Lucifer or Michael has, and Ultra-Monitor would godstomp that version of Perpetua.
- Mxy is icing on the cake in the sense that he possesses casually Multiversal ++ power and is able to create and manipulate energy in, well, any way he can imagine. Even just recently Mxy was going to "unmake all of existence" including Hypertime, which is arguably an infinity of Multiverses (and at the very least is a casually Multiversal feat). Then there's WF.
Ultimately, I don't see a way to effectively distinguish between the infinities that Lucifer, Michael, Mxy and Ultra-Monitor represent, and as a result I would go with the more versatile duo in the more impressive/vast cosmology (As I don't think you can reconcile Vertigo with modern DC cosmology, it's likely best to consider them separate).
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
It”s pretty much impossible to reconcile The Presence as shown in Vertigo with the modern depiction of the Source/God, as well as the cosmic hierarchy (with the Hands being The Source”s right hand)
As in, I don”t think it”s necessarily true that Lucifer and Michael scale to the power of the Source/Presence as shown in modern DC comics.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
The World Forger was able to manifest countless infinities of universes and higher dimensions into existence, and create the laws/rules for said realities.
__________________ ”You presume limits to my power. There are none.”
Lucifer's ability to shape and Michael's ability to create is equal to that of the Presence. Unlimited in scope and inexhaustble in nature, and out of nothing.
In contrast, Perpetua and her children have to channel Crisis Energy and exhaust their powers to create and destroy universes.
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