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Nephthys
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Of course we'll be waiting forever, I gave a psychoanalysis, which by its very nature is impossible to prove. So.... good job stating the obvious there.
And which time are you speaking of? The Exile debate, becuase Faunus actually said I won that and I don't recall anyone else saying anything about it, so yeah.....


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Of course we'll be waiting forever, I gave a psychoanalysis, which by its very nature is impossible to prove. So.... good job stating the obvious there.
And which time are you speaking of? The Exile debate, becuase Faunus actually said I won that and I don't recall anyone else saying anything about it, so yeah.....


Actually, look back at what Faunus said there, and that was the closest thing to anyone saying that you had an argument. That's what makes this easy for me.

And psychoanalyses aren't hard to prove, neither are assertions and accusations, if they're legitimate. In your case they aren't.

I have lost more debates on this forum than I've won, but I haven't lost in a while, particularly because Gideon and Faunus are gone. If you'd like to post what points I "Lost" with LS in regards to the current debate, I'd love to answer them. I have a feeling though, that you won't because there aren't any.


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Your opinions are improving Nephthys. big grin

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Man, it was good to read that thread again. I was really on top form. But anyway, all I could find on the topic in question is this- 'Again, while I agree with parts of your broader argument', which is Faunus agreeing with Allankles, which as you were so fond of saying was basically my (and his, credit given) argument repeated over and over again. I also distinctly remember that I asked him to give his opinion on the argument over on ROK. Eventually he said that I had won (mostly becuase you wimped out (again)). So There. (plus it was totally worth the effort, just to re-read me owning you, giving you plenty of opportunities to present your own argument and then you not delivering (in da bedroom)).

And Psychoanalysis actually can't be proven- 'First, critics contend that Freud's theory is lacking in empirical evidence and relies too heavily on therapeutic achievements, whereas others assert that even Freud's clinical data are flawed, inaccurate, and selective at best. Second, the actual method or techniques involved in psychoanalysis, such as Freud's ideas on the interpretation of dreams and the role of free association, have been criticized. Finally, some critics assert that psychoanalysis is simply not a science and many of the principles upon which it is based are inaccurate.'- Kristen M. Beystehner. Somewhere in there it should say that it lacks empirical evidence

And you're basically saying that you've stopped losing now that no-one is really debating anymore. Great.

Edit: Yaay!

Edit2: though honestly, Drakengard has awful gameplay, but its hilarious to see how messed up it is. I mean, what other game lets you kill child-soldiers while they beg you to stop?


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In response to the Drakengard thing. You should play Sands of Destruction when it comes out; its apparently an amalgamation of Xenogears, Xenosaga, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VII, Grandia, Etrian Odyssey and Drakengard, and developed by some of the best developers ever (the legendary Masato Kato and Yasunori Mitsuda).

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Neb do you play any FPS or do you find most of it boring? And what platform are you on?

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I do play them but I'm not too big a fan of them lol. The truth is I'm not too big a fan of gameplay in general, a game really needs a storyline for me to stay interested, otherwise I get bored pretty quickly. All three by the way lol.

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[B]Man, it was good to read that thread again. I was really on top form. But anyway, all I could find on the topic in question is this- 'Again, while I agree with parts of your broader argument', which is Faunus agreeing with Allankles, which as you were so fond of saying was basically my (and his, credit given) argument repeated over and over again. I also distinctly remember that I asked him to give his opinion on the argument over on ROK. Eventually he said that I had won (mostly becuase you wimped out (again)). So There. (plus it was totally worth the effort, just to re-read me owning you, giving you plenty of opportunities to present your own argument and then you not delivering (in da bedroom)).

Actually, Faunus even admitted to not having read the argument and just to piss me off, and the fact that many of you have admitted that ALlankles is incompetent, coupled with you having his exact argument, means you got owned. But thanks for a trip down memory(reality) lanesmile

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And Psychoanalysis actually can't be proven- 'First, critics contend that Freud's theory is lacking in empirical evidence and relies too heavily on therapeutic achievements, whereas others assert that even Freud's clinical data are flawed, inaccurate, and selective at best. Second, the actual method or techniques involved in psychoanalysis, such as Freud's ideas on the interpretation of dreams and the role of free association, have been criticized. Finally, some critics assert that psychoanalysis is simply not a science and many of the principles upon which it is based are inaccurate.'- Kristen M. Beystehner. Somewhere in there it should say that it lacks empirical evidence[quote]
Somewhere in there? Lol. Great evidence bro.

[quote]And you're basically saying that you've stopped losing now that no-one is really debating anymore. Great.

No, I stopped losing because the only ones left to debate are you and LS, and I've never lost an argument to you.

However, I'm going to motivate you. Since you are always incapable of, and known for not backing your assertions up(not as much as RH though), I will give you $2 for every point you find that you claimed I lost against LS, and the same will apply to your Exile argument. Call it motivation to help you learn how to debate properly instead of throwing things out there. I'm confident you'll find nothing in LS's argument and even less in your owned Exile argument, I'll be happy to cough up the $$$ if I'm wrong.


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I never said anything about Lightsnake, in fact I said you were probably right, remember? You made a big deal out of it.

And I have no idea how to recieve money over the internet, but it probably involves giving you personal details, so no thanks.


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I never said anything about Lightsnake, in fact I said you were probably right, remember? You made a big deal out of it.

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How about how it took you close to 2 hours to come up with that come-back, or how you change and muddle the subject constantly when things aren't going your way. In fact you don't so much run away as run from the points your losing on by, say, being obnoxious and posting stupid pictures instead of arguments.

Unless you're going to tell that THAT had nothing to do with LS? And if it didn't, then please go ahead and prove where I run away from arguments and where I am losing, I'll wait.

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And I have no idea how to recieve money over the internet, but it probably involves giving you personal details, so no thanks. [/B]

Don't be daft, it's called paypal and I'm only offering it because money usually pushes people to do something.


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Unless you're going to tell that THAT had nothing to do with LS? And if it didn't, then please go ahead and prove where I run away from arguments and where I am losing, I'll wait.


Ok.

me (quoting you)-
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Yea, if there were no circumstances surrounding the victory.




This is correct, despite what you claim.

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I'm convinced that you're purposely trolling now because nobody could be this retarded in not "getting it.".




Oh no I understand everything you say, its just that your retardedly wrong, as I and Allankles have shown. And every time we ask you to argue back, you pussy out.

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This is correct, despite what you claim.



Except there were and I am.



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Oh no I understand everything you say, its just that your retardedly wrong, as I and Allankles have shown. And every time we ask you to argue back, you pussy out.




You and allankles have shown nothing besides identical, flawed arguments. When I wash my ass with him, you come in, and vice versa. Both of you wait for the other one, it's cute.

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I notice you still refuse to actually argue.


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Argue what? We're running around in circles and I have nowhere to go but down at this point seeing as how neither one of you can come up with a legitimate argument. So what benefit do I get from continuously arguing with you two?


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Proving yourself right?

Not that you can, but the fact you refuse to even try just speaks for how little faith you have in your own argument.


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I've done it on several occasions. You cowered and left until someone else took up your argument, which is when you returned.


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No, if I recall you left off our last argument after I pwned you, only to 'demand' that I make another one.

Then I came over here and me and Allankles made the same argument over and over again, demanding that you actually write soemthing other than 'lol, love, circumstance!'



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You've never pwned me. You got your ass kicked and ran off. But it's amazing the mind tricks denial plays on people.



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Really? Because here's the post I made-

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Originally posted by Nephthys

Denial? What, pray tell, am I denying? If your going to insult me or belittle me, at least put some effort into it.



Lol, try to keep up with the argument sexy. The initial argument was started when I pulled out the quote about the Exile being strong in the force. Instead of argue it, you claimed that despite this, she has no skill or mastery. And so I've proven after that that she does have those two, which would elevate her from your laughable assertion of her being, 'just average' to being (as you put it) 'exceptional'.



The darkside, which is all Revan can be proven to have advanced knowledge of, gains nothing from force knowledge, so that's pretty irrelevent. It is also impossible to quantify Revans knowledge, making it pointless to bring up.



Connection? Wut?

And technically speaking, the Exile has more skills than Revan, actually canonally knowing lightsaber forms and advanced force forms.



Lagging again? I'll help. You wanted to know what bearing the Exiles ability to grow off of death would have, so I posted evidence that it has vastly increased her power, perhaps even being the reason she is 'stronger than ever' in the force. That baldy states she has feed off the death of 'hundreds', further demonstrates the effect of that power, effectively stopping you from belittling its results.



There are no 'circumstances' except those in your mind. It was a strict, no-holding-back fight to the death for supremacy between master and student, explicitly stated to be as such. You stating otherwise would be like me saying Malak only lost to Revan because he was holding back on his old friend- Moronic.



I know I did. Whats your point?



Exactly. If the Exile cannot kill her she will kill the Exile. I don't know why your arguing this, she explicitely says after that her not going all out would make the entire thing pointless, just so much air and violence.



Maybe next time you should actually argue the point, instead of bashing your clear superior. It would be a shame to have to report you.



Exactly, through the course of the game the Exile remembers forms which she had forgotten, as Traya states.



'Refute'? You haven't refuted anything. Saying 'No, it really doesn't.' isn't refuring anything, its giving an opinion. And your opinion isn't fact.



'Every time'? Name one position I've changed over the course of the argument. And wasn't the mandalorians actually named as such in a source? Probably in a Traviss novel.



What am I denying? That I'm losing? No, that can't possibly be it. It must be something I'm simply too intelligent to understand your lowbrow attempts at humour.



In the other thread. You claimed that Revan was impressive becuase 'Yet Mandalore is always their greatest warrior, which Revan was shown to defeat, while the Exile wasn't.' Not only are you making a baseless assumption (One mandalore simply found the mask and claimed to be mandalore, so it isn't always the strongest. Heck for all you know, he could have just given them all great head wink ), but you are committing a double standard by ignoring the quantifiable skills of the Handmaidens.



Please, since this argument began you haven't 'refuted' much at all. You've insulted me, mad baseless claims and pasted them off as fact and ignored any point you can't defeat (not even with your patented 'fingers-in-ears-I-know-I'm-wrong-but-I'll-keep-pretending-I'm-not technique). Seriously, just admit your wrong, you've already conceded most of my points, considering you aren't arguing them any more. I doubt anyone could think less of you after that disaster with Nai, so maybe you should just bow out quietly.



Mine too, but probably for different reasons than yours.




And then, instead of arguing you made this post-

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So what you've done is offered nothing resembling an argument, and when faced with defeat, you follow the lead of the likes of Nai and Faunus in regards to their sarcasm. The only difference is that they do it within a victory, while you're doing it as a last resort to concession.




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I found another time.-

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Originally posted by Nephthys
And if the the Exile wins the Force will NEVER die. This was her one chance to poison the Force. She didn't represent that anyway, when Traya looked at her, she SAW the death of the Force, saw the destruction she could cause out of the Exile. What the Exile REPRESENTED was a little girl who got scared and hid from the Force, only to hug close to it again in desperation at the first sign of trouble. Someone who GLORIED in the Force.



Once again you ignore facts to fulfil some twisted ideal in your head. The fact that she called her that directly after battle, while talking about how the Exile'd just beat her? Nope, who cares. The fact that her whole personality and philosophy abhors mercy. A load of crap. What gets me is how you think she'd push this all aside becuase she 'loved' the Exile, or pass it off as a lie, and yet won't even think that this could work both ways. Touching, Love truly does conquer all.



Err, what? Why would she need to say that when the Exile is clearly going to fight her anyway. Where if she's light side, Traya's a Sith Lord trying to kill the force, why the hell would she need to give her any more incentive than that?




I made this post in this very thread and you- wait for it- Failed to answer it. So it seems you do infact lose, becuase both times we've debated in the past week, you've run away like a sissy like girl. I'll accept my glory now. Naturally, I'll be donating it to the FauNutRider trust fund, but whatever, gimme.

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You can accept your glory. Unfortunately you'll be the only one doing it seeing as how it contradicts reality. You lose a long time ago and you're too stupid to admit it so I forgive you. And me not responding to your post doesn't equal any kind of victory. It means that I was considering that you were just dumb enough to be put back on ignore. If you can offer something resembling an argument and NOT a post which you claim is an argument because it's long, I'll be inclined to listen. If not, I'll replay, accept your loss and move on.





You'll begin to notice a pattern here, with me constantly trying to get you to actually debate like a member of this forum should and then you insulting me and backing off

(incidentally, most of these are also arguments for the Exile to which you've never given a satisfactory response beyou 'lolz LOVE!', so yeah, gimme my money.

You did ask. Though I suppose I could just give you the link to the pages and save alot of room. Reply in time and I will. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=9


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Ok.

me (quoting you)-



This is correct, despite what you claim.





Oh no I understand everything you say, its just that your retardedly wrong, as I and Allankles have shown. And every time we ask you to argue back, you pussy out.

you-


Except there were and I am.







You and allankles have shown nothing besides identical, flawed arguments. When I wash my ass with him, you come in, and vice versa. Both of you wait for the other one, it's cute.

me-

you-

me-

you-

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you-



me-



And then, instead of arguing you made this post-





I found another time.-





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I made this post in this very thread and you- wait for it- Failed to answer it. So it seems you do infact lose, becuase both times we've debated in the past week, you've run away like a sissy like girl. I'll accept my glory now. Naturally, I'll be donating it to the FauNutRider trust fund, but whatever, gimme.

This was more confusing than the LSAT. Why don't you just link me to the original thread, or use quotes for the both of us, like I did in the argument with LS. Furthermore, you attribute "running away", or posting pictures as a sign of defeat, when I can attribute it to making my point and the other party has nothing legitimate to add, so I amuse myself.





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You'll begin to notice a pattern here, with me constantly trying to get you to actually debate like a member of this forum should and then you insulting me and backing off

(incidentally, most of these are also arguments for the Exile to which you've never given a satisfactory response beyou 'lolz LOVE!', so yeah, gimme my money.

You did ask. Though I suppose I could just give you the link to the pages and save alot of room. Reply in time and I will. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=9

ALlankles' argument has been proven wrong each time by me and other members of this forum. Your argument resembled his almost verbatim. There wasn't a single shred of evidence in that argument that you were right, ANYWHERE. However, if you REALLY want to debate it again, repost the thread and we'll start from scratch.


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This was more confusing than the LSAT. Why don't you just link me to the original thread, or use quotes for the both of us, like I did in the argument with LS. Furthermore, you attribute "running away", or posting pictures as a sign of defeat, when I can attribute it to making my point and the other party has nothing legitimate to add, so I amuse myself.


Ninja'd!!!

Also, giving up trying to win and walking away= losing.


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Ninja'd!!!

Also, giving up trying to win and walking away= losing.


No it's not. If that was the case, you, Allankles, LS, or most notoriously, Nebaris, can keep on typing even though you know you're wrong or don't want to admit it, and hope the other guy just gives up so you don't look like a douche.


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The way to win a war is to be the team left standing. I was, you weren't. Seriously, why are we even discussing this?


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The way to win a war is to be the team left standing. I was, you weren't. Seriously, why are we even discussing this?


Because of your incorrect comparisons of war and debate. That pretty much proves my point.


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Gonna have to show me where I "run away" when I'm in trouble, and the last time I was in trouble.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Project_Eden/topic/1560496/3/
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QED

Edit: you can't see it unless you log in.

No one posts there anymore, so:
User Name: Nemesis
Password: Password1

(Case sensitive. Marvel at my winage.) ((Dnt look @ the me/gid thing, since that was just painful on both sides. [i still won that tho- faunus saiz so]))

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Login where dude? Wtf are you talking about?


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I'm getting the impression that Exile fanatics hate the fact that she was essentially a tool in Revan's massive galactic chess game.

Chessmaster

Seriously, explore all the dialog with HK, the Exile was a pawn from the very beginning.

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The Exile fanatics can't make an argument for the Exile to begin with.


Btw, didn't want to post daily news here but I guess this is a 2 month culmination and a victory.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216...h_care_overhaul


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