Yeah we were not talking about ROTJ, but peak versions presumably. And if Luke reaches Vaders level as a swordsman in only 4 years, then I see no reason to believe Vader is even close to peak Luke level.
The supplementary material can hyperbole wank Kylo all it wants, but without specifics I will go by the movies which went out of their way to tell us Kylo was no Vader.
Also what is Saber skill? Maul had mad saber skills but would get his ass whooped by Vader. So without equal force augmentation it wouldnt matter.
Last edited by Darth Thor on May 21st, 2020 at 05:47 PM
Did you read my original post about how Kylo grew more powerful between TLJ and TROS? Specifically the quote about how the Guards Rey fought are more formidable than the Praetorian Guards? They were defeated way more easily than the Praetorians too, suggesting that Rey (and therefore Kylo as well) grew substantially.
That's fair enough. As mentioned, I just think that's the level Disney wants him to be operating at, because the supplementary material thus far does go out of its way to wank Kylo. But again, I understand the reluctance. /shrug
Saber skill is pretty self-explanatory. Of course Vader would stomp Maul -- he's a better swordsman, and he's far more powerful. Don't see how that's relevant here, though..?
"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
If Vader didn't lost potential in canon (which many agree is the case) Kylo and Rey having more potential than him would be absurd as Anakin was the chosen one who at full potential can ragdoll the Mortis Gods. This obviously can't be the case.
The quote can't refer to actualised/aplicable power either as Rey was ragdolled by Snoke (who is at best equal to ROTJ Sidious) efortlesly.
In conclusion: Luke had no ideea what he was talking about.
Last edited by Darthadi on May 21st, 2020 at 06:59 PM