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Patient_Leech
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Yeah, so after a lot of digging and learning more about the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp situation and the fact that Evan Rachel Wood is closely associated with Amber Heard (that definitely hurts her credibility quite a lot), I've changed my perception on this quite a lot. I was leaning towards Manson's guilt initially, but now I'm leaning much closer to his innocence. It's a perfect scheme: who in mainstream media is not going to believe allegations of Marilyn Manson being an abusive degenerate? With all his controversial lyrics and statements. Hell, even I fell for it initially. The only person who might be an even EASIER target would be Eminem.

(Amber Heard has done grave harm to the credibility of any legitimate domestic abuse victims)

Some of Evan Rachel Wood's previous statements about Manson make her recent claims extremely unbelievable...

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“Manson owns the house he lives in. My brother has never stayed there and the person that said such horrible things about Manson being ‘controlling’ and ’emotionally abusive’ is certainly no source ‘close’ to me,” Woods says. “Manson has been by my side and taken care of me through the best and worst times. I love him as a person and as an artist. I will always be proud to have been a part of that.

“If any more attacks are made on us, it is the act of a desperate, selfish person, who is angry to no longer be a part of my life. No further comment will be made and we request our privacy at this time.”



[Source]


And there are others.

This is some good perspective on the situation...


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And one of his other exes came out saying she never experienced anything like this.

Not proof he never did anything, but usually men like this do this to most of the women they date.


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And one of his other exes came out saying she never experienced anything like this.


Yes, I mentioned that. At least 2 other exes (I think there might actually be a third). Dita Von Teese and Rose McGowan (who is a huge figure in the Me Too movement, so if there was any indication that Manson was an abuser she would certainly share it). The video I posted she mentions some of this, the fact that even in Rose McGowan's autobiographical book she mentions that she and Manson had a boring domestic life at one point and he painted watercolors and wanted to chill and watch movies and such.

Is it possible that Manson was so devastated and drugged up and despondent from his divorce with Dita Von Teese that he went into some dark, abusive shit with the much younger and more vulnerable Evan Rachel Wood? I suppose that's possible, but there needs to be evidence. And ERW's previous comments about their relationship greatly contradict her more recent testimony. And yes, of course she could have been trying to put on a show of being happy at the time afraid of retribution from her abuser, but the quotes are still very sincere and genuine, just like Manson's other exes.

And ERW's association with Amber Heard (an established fraud and narcissist) and the fact that she, too, is doing this activist thing, it gives her testimony a potential for being a little self-serving, to promote her status as a survivor to bolster her credibility as an activist. I would be more likely to believe ERW if she dropped the activism persona and just spoke normally about it. I think it would potentially give her more credibility, because that is clearly what Amber Heard did.


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It doesn't help Manson that he looks like a weirdo.


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Hell some tried to blame him for Columbine. Yet he said one of the most intelligent things about it when asked what he would have said to the shooters "I wouldn't have said anything I would have listened, because that is what nobody did".


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Yeah. He always seemed really laid back in interviews.


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Hell some tried to blame him for Columbine. Yet he said one of the most intelligent things about it when asked what he would have said to the shooters "I wouldn't have said anything I would have listened, because that is what nobody did".


Yeah, now it seems like it was inevitable for "Me Too" to get Marilyn Manson eventually. He's public enemy #1, so he apparently pissed off the wrong girl and here we are. They're counting on no one doing this sort of digging and most people won't...



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“People would be surprised at the kind of healthy, loving relationship we have.“ And: “If it doesn’t work out, I would never blame it on the fact that he’s Marilyn Manson.“

-Evan Rachel Wood

[2007 GQ Interview][/b]

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I had been in a place where I was letting too many people dictate who I should be and what I should be, and I was trying to make everybody happy to the point where it was just killing me. I’d completely lost myself. It’s kind of funny now that people think I’ve completely changed myself for him, when this is actually the first time in my life that I took a stand and said, “This is who I am and this is who I’ve always wanted to be, and I’m finally with somebody who lets me be who I want to be.” He never tells me what to do or what to wear or who to be. It’s all my decision and he respects it, and that’s what’s important.

-Evan Rachel Wood, 2008 Interview

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I'm pretty sure part of the allegations is that he was controlling about who they talk to, how they dress, etc.

So yeah, I call bullshit. I think the relationship went sour and this is her psychotic revenge, like Amber Heard.



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Some hilarity in this situation is that ERW actually accused Manson of "hiding a drug addiction from me." (See Image attached below). A guy known for songs called "I Don't Like the Drugs, But the Drugs Like Me," and "The Dope Show," and a transcript from an intro to a live version of "I Don't Like The Drugs..."

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"I had a dream last night, Cedar Rapids. You want to hear that dream? I said do you want to hear that dream?! I was drowning in a sea of liquor and I washed up on a beach made of cocaine. The sky was made of LSD and every tree was made of marijuana. But the cops pulled me over. But they did not arrest me. Instead they sucked my dick. And it was so beautiful that God came down from Heaven. He said to me, "Marilyn Manson, we will no longer spell the word God, G-O-D." I said, "How do you want to spell it, God?" He said, "Give me a D! Give me an R! Give me a U! Give me a G! Give me an S!" And what does that spell?





It's hard to make up comedy this good. It actually strikes me as arrogance. It says, "Look at the stupid shit we can claim and everyone will believe it..."


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That great YouTuber I posted above has released several more videos related to the Manson case and it's all been very interesting indeed. Including one that just came out today in which she interviews one of Manson's personal assistants. Here it is...



And isn't this fascinating: a movie about-- well, let me just copy and paste the summary from Rotten Tomatoes:

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Pretty Pursuasion (2005)

A manipulative teenager (Evan Rachel Wood) and her two friends conspire to falsely accuse a teacher (Ron Livingston) of molesting them.


Isn't that interesting! Here's the trailer...


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I heard I think either Mechanical Animals or Antichrist Superstar walking to weights class when a skater gave me the CD to play on my CD player way back when I was 14. I've been listening to his music on and off for about 16 years never really considered myself a fan until about 2018. I really don't care about the allegations I can separate art from the personality behind it


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...I really don't care about the allegations I can separate art from the personality behind it


Right, I agree. However, given that Manson's music seemingly condones certain abusive behavior, it would greatly fu#k up my ability to enjoy his music if I knew that he was actually doing these things to women in real life.

So that's why I was greatly interested to know the truth.

So take extra consolation in the fact that the allegations are total crap. It's a coordinated #MeToo hit job...




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In case anyone here is still following this, there has been a development or two. Esme Bianco (the Game of Thrones accuser) has actually officially sued Manson or something... and Manson's lawyer issued a statement (it's attached below).

And this wonderful YouTuber just released a video interviewing one of the other accuser's Ex's. It's very interesting...




And this one I haven't watched yet, but I guess it's self-explanatory. Sounds like it's meant to be a more concise summary of the evidence (or lack thereof)...




And some Evan Rachel Wood analysis (I haven't finished watching these yet, either)...







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