Can you remember in what sense he meant it? Because changing dates doesn't alter the logic of what Harmax said. Do you mean the next movie might well start with Leia and Luke as toddlers?
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I've been reading now that GL has put Episode III 18 years before ANH.....
And Yes, I'll go find the source and post it later.
Well, that might just make Luke and Leia 18 at the time of ANH so it doesn't change a great deal about the logic problem here. The chances of Luke and Leia being born already in the film are minute because Anakin would know!
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I've being saying it for years, but Leia could still remember her mother even if she dies when she's a baby.
Luke and Leia are no ordinary kids. They're the children of Anakin(the chosen one and all that) and are very strong with the force.
They're not even ordinary Jedi kids and you have to asume that Jedi kids are very special. The start training as Jedi basically as soon as they're born.
And all Leia says is that she remembers feelings and images. Not "conversations" or "the time that my mum took me to the circus".
She just remebers feelings and being as strong with the force as she is, it's definatley possible that she's remembering from being a baby.
So Padme could die and Leia would still remember how her "presence" felt.
That would be seriously twisting things. Leia said her mother died when she was 'very young'; I think she would have remarked if Amidala in fact died almost immediately after Leia was born. Besides, Luke doesn't remember his mother, does he? He clearly says he does not and he is clearly more powerful than Leia so this idea of super-babies rembering their mother does not hold water.
The clear intimation of that scene in ROTJ is that Leia was not a newborn when her mother died.
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When Leia say "she died when I was very young", that's probably because she was told that. Not because she actually remembers her mother dying. Luke knows that his father died but only because he was told that. He never saw him die, but he believes he's dead because he's been told that all his life.
Luke has no memory of his mother because he's been told nothing about her. He was told his father was a navigator on a spice frieghter so he probably has images of him.
Leia has been told about her mother so she's done the same.
It makes the story more balanced as well. Luke grew up, hearing about his father. He doesn't even mention his mother until ROTJ.
Leia grows up hearing about her mother and doesn't know a thing about her father until ROTJ.
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Yerssot, Jedi kids aren't like ordinary kids. They are special. How do the Jedi find them? There is NO WAY that the Jedi could test EVERY baby in the republic for midi-chlorians so they must stand out from the other kids. The same way that Anakin was. Then they get tested.
So kids born with force potential are different.
So are you guys saying that Jedi babies can't remember feelings?
they're not jedi babies, they get the name jedi when they are found.
they need training to get that special thing, they have the instrument but don't know how to use it
They are Jedi babies. They are babies born with force potential. It's up to the Jedi to find them.
Luke and Leia are born with an unbelievable amount of force potential because of their father so it's entirley possible that Leia remember "Feelings" and the presence of her mother when she was a baby.
Anakin never had Jedi training in TPM but he still had Jedi reflexes. That proves that kids born with force potential are very different from ordinary kids, even if they are very young and have had no training.
I don't see why this is so hard to accept. Can't you remember things from when you were very young? I can. And if I was a Jedi I could probably remember a lot more.
You start to really remeber stuff from around 4 years old. Events before that are often supplied by photographs that tricks you into beliving you remember those things. With this I mean you really dont remember what happen but the photo helps your mind to kind of remeber an event. Truth is that seeing the photo triggers your memory, meaning you needed help to remember.
As for the SW saga I think Padma lives in a state of sanctuary on Alderaan as a "nobody" in Organa`s palace and Leia is belived to be the Organas child.
That's partly what I'm saying. Leia has been told about her mother so that triggers memories and feelings that she had.
Luke has been told nothing about her so doesn't. Instead he's almost obsessed about his father because he's been told things about him.
I can remember things from before 4 years old. Imagine what the daughter of Anakin could remember, especially when her memory is being prompted by people telling her about her mother.
It's entirley possible. Leia never actually says "I can remember my mother very clearly". She's vague about her. She struggles to remember and when she does it's just feelings.
Most Jedi are detected by standard midi-chlorian tests; it's not as if people would recognise force potential in newborns. How would you tell?
And now you are saying. KJ, that they only remember their parents if they have been told about them? Weird.
For your theory to work we have to assign super-memories to the kids, Leia has to be wrong about knowing when her mother died, that whole scene in ROTJ (whgich was only meant to give us info) was rather a lie and Luke, the more powerful one, has to not remember a mother his sister does simply because he was never told about her (and incidentally, if they could remember how their parents 'felt' then Luke would have recognised Anakin by that logic).
This is all possible, but I think it is immensly more likely from what we have before us that Amidala dies when Leia is young, not a newborn, certainly long enough after ep.iii to rule out her on-screen death. All we need to make this true is for Leia to have been the one with her mother, and Luke not. It all fits directly with what we have and is very simple; no need to overcomplicate.
On a literal point, yerssot is right; they aren't Jedi until they join the Order, they are just people with the Force.
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We'll see in EP3. I still think Padme has to die on screen for the last film to be as sad as Lucas is making out. But that's a whole other thread.
And if she does die then the Leia thing doesn't need to be explained because I think it's already obvious. Anakins kids are unbelievably powerful. Leia could certainly remember feelings from being a baby.
And the Luke remembering Anakin point - Baby Luke and Leia will probably never be in the same room as Ankin. They don't remember "feelings" from him because they were never near him.
But Padme gave birth to them and you can assume that she spent some time with them before they went into hiding or before she died. Enough time for Leia to remember her presence and "sad" feelings.
I think this is a far simpler story than Padme surviving and all the theories that brings up. Like - Why the Emperor never went after her? Or why she didn't help with the rebellion? Or how she eventually died? Or why she stayed on Alderaan near Leia which put her in danger?
I thought you said before that Luke would remember feelings from his father and Leia from her mother? You said it was more balanced that way.
If they BOTH spent time enough with their mother to remember her then they should both remember her! If only Leia does then it is because she spent more time with her mother, logically enough the small amount of years Amidala spent on Alderan before dying because the few minutes difference you could get in a film would be neither here nor there. I would very much doubt it would only be because she was told more about her mother, especially as she doesn't seem to have been told very much at all and I would imagine Luke would have been told just as much.
It's not THAT complex if she lives; we just assume she dies of a broken heart. Her in hiding on Alderan is no more dangerous than Obi-Wan on Tatooine- or Bail Organa being on Alderan as well, for that matter. I doubt she was worth the Emperor's time to kill.
And it is not as if we need detailed explanations of everything; it's not THAT vital to the story, how she dies.
I know you think ep. 3 won't be as tragic as it should be without her on-screen death but unless we hear something solid otherwise I am afraid you may well be disappointed.
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I remember Natalie Portman hinting sometime back that her character would be shown pregnant in one more film. And I do not subscribe to the theory that just because Leia had exceptional force potential, she would have memories of her mother even as an infant of a few months. " She was very beautiful, but sad ... " ... these are specific memories that only happen after a certain number of years. Traditionally, Star Wars movies do not encompass a period of 2/3 years .... the death of Padme would increase the tragic and dark element in the movie ... but logically, I see very little chance of it being shown.
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