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finti
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true, but Vader hunted down the Jedi probably as a crippled too.
And I think Dooku would have big problems with martial art skills.
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Ushgarak
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You would have thought that of Yoda too... besides, they are unneccessary.
I would say that even as a cripple Vader is powerful and skilled enough to hunt down most 'ordinary' Jedi. The fights that we are seeing in the PT is from the best of the bunch, of course.
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Nov 1st, 2002 02:44 PM |
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Darth Ninja
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If Anakin had gotten angry (while fighting Dooku) to the point when his mother died (eye's glowing with fury), he would've beaten Dooku.
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Nov 5th, 2002 08:21 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Crap. You cannot just bring these things down to emotion and force power, in which Anakin is still a novice. Skill is vital and Dooku COMPLETELY outskills Anakin- not to mention Dooku also having considerable power.
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Nov 5th, 2002 08:22 PM |
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Dooku is NOT an invincible, all-powerful, omnipotent lightsaber master. (Nor is Yoda for that matter.)
Highly skilled, he is, I will agree. However, one error/miscalculation in a lightsaber duel IS often fatal.
No matter how skilled any Jedi/Sith is with a lightsaber . . . someone else can always kill you.
Perhaps, Dooku's overconfidence (in his skill) will cost him . . . his life. 
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Nov 5th, 2002 08:40 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, someone CAN kill him. Even the best fighters can lose fights; it's just like tennis. But that is true whether Anakin is angry or not.
The point is we are trying to work out who is better than the other... then angry Padawan Anakin is not better than Dooku.
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Nov 5th, 2002 08:48 PM |
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Every style of fighthing have a weakness, the weakness being it doesent fit some other style to well. Like attacking violently (like Aniken did with Dooku) doesnt fit the elegant style(which is why Dooku beat Anaekin pretty easy) But the elegant,or Dooku`s style, have other styles it is fragile too so who knows.
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Nov 6th, 2002 08:09 AM |
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yoda.
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Nov 6th, 2002 09:35 AM |
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I guess we are talking purely about lightsabre skills.
On a general level, Darth Vader could not be beaten in single combat. Just a pure lightsabre battle is a different issue though. I would have to go with Yoda.
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Nov 6th, 2002 06:06 PM |
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what do you mean Darth Vader could not be beaten? he was beaten
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Nov 6th, 2002 06:32 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Hang on, by that logic Dooku knows Yoda's weaknesses as well. You are applying it all both ways.
And do remember that a pure lightsabre battle is the important bit. It does not matter how in other ways Vader could fight; it is clear that the sabre is the way for a Jedi to kill another Force User regardless of other factors. As Mah pointed out, vader DID lose, and none of his great force power helped him- that fight was 99% sabre skill and nowt else.
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Nov 6th, 2002 08:19 PM |
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yoda has no weakness's. havent you seen the commercial, yoda da man 
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Nov 6th, 2002 08:39 PM |
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master harmax
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Vader was beaten when he was old and way over the hill. And furthermore, the guy who beat him happened to be his own son ... there were emotional involvements involved .... Vader could not bring himself to fight as ruthlessly with his son, as he did with someone else. But u leave aside his son ... and you take Vader NOT old and over the hill ... than in single combat ... with or without lightsabres ... he could not be beaten.
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Nov 7th, 2002 12:52 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Nah. Vader COULD kill Luke, as was the point. It was only when the Emperor was going to kill him that Vader changed his mind. In any case, Vader's powers were not affected by his age and crippled nature- only his sabre skill. I was reinforcing the point that it is sabre skill that counts when these people meet.
In any case, I imagine Anakin will be in his prime in Episode III, functionally the same as Vader. He will be beaten by Obi-Wan.
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Nov 7th, 2002 01:16 AM |
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Still think Maul would have kicked Dooku`s ass
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Nov 7th, 2002 09:44 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Not a hope!
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Nov 7th, 2002 12:10 PM |
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Darth Maul would have a very tough time trying to kill Dooku. Maul almost got killed several times by Qui-Gon and he barely defeated him. Dooku probably would've defeated Maul.
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Nov 7th, 2002 12:45 PM |
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finti
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Maul defeated Qui gon pretty easy you must remember Maul fough two guys at the same time
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Nov 7th, 2002 05:36 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, he was very, very good. But Dooku, I believe, was built up as being better.
BTW, I don't think he defeated Qui-Gon 'easily', by any means.
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, he obviously would've seen Dooku use the old style. 
