1. Yes, making a wager- it was the way to free him. Yes, Jedi are against slavery but QGJ is not God; he cannot click his fingers and make it end. He did the right thing in the circumstances.
2. It was his DESTINY. Qui-Gon knew that. That settles it.
3. If Obi-Wan had not chosen to do it, no-one else would have, and that would have been the end of that.
5. ALL he achieved was to send himself on the path to the Dark Side. He did not save or help anyone and he DID slaughter a load of innocents. If he had done as he was meant to and severed his emotional tis- listened to Obi-Wan- this would never have happened.
6. Anakin is ill-disciplined, selfish, over-emotional and immature. It is 100% Obi-Wan's job to criticise and attempt to correct that.
7. No, that would have been stupid, because then you would have no Chosen One and the Sith would win.
8. You are not MEANT to be attached! That was entirely his fault! That is the rather obvious point! Anakin's failing is his over-attachment.
9. Now you are just babbling- the quote is irrelevant, and no, no such thing happened.
Now, let me close this decisively. George Lucas himself says QGJ did the right thing in freeing Anakin and choosing to train him. If he had not, the Sit would have won everlasting. Anakin had a destiny to save the Galaxy- but before he finally got there in ROTJ, he made a conscious decision to reject that destiny and choose something far darker. He did that because of HIS failings.
And yes, the cicmsances were not ideal; he was too old, and Obi-Wan not experineced enough. But it was still right thing to do. In the final analysis, the fault for things going wrong... is entirely down to Anakin and his own failings.
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Now, does anyone have any more remarks on-topic?
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Last edited by Ushgarak on Aug 16th, 2004 at 09:46 AM
I agree with everything that you said, yet I believe that Obi-Wan still needs to be recognized in some way as having failed. Lucas makes it clear that he wants, in some way, for Obi-Wan to be considered as having failed Anakin. However, though it seems antithetical to say so, failure does not always mean that the fault was necessarily his. It was not his fault that he was inexperienced and forced into the position as Anakin's master. He could not properly teach, develop, and control Anakin, and so I say that he failed, yet, I do not blame him. He did his best, and was up against horrible odds, which no one could be expected to overcome.
It may seem like I am getting bogged down in semantics, but all that I want to make clear is that Obi-Wan fails in that regard, making him less than perfect, as all of us are.
And yes, almost all of Anakin's actions are his own responsibility and his own fault.
Oh yeah, Obi-Wan fails- in fact, GL says Yoda fails as well. But yes, it is still very important to the story that the most important failing is Anakin's own- it is all his own choice; as much as it is finally his own choice to redeem himself.
However, interesting though that is, it's not actually the topic; we can open up a new thread if we want to debate that.
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I guess it has more to to with OB1 feeling than actually failing. With Anakin's destiny and all, no one could have prevented Anakin's fall. So in a sense OB1 was dealt the bad card and feels guilty/responsible for Anakin's fall.
well according to ROTJ OB1 feels guilty,
Still I am convinced that both Yoda and Ob1 is aware of Anikans transformation into Vader. How they know it , well maybe ROTS will give us the answer to that question. But I am convinced they know and by ANH they are the only one left alive to know too, besides Emp and Vader
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Aug 16th, 2004 08:54 AM
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