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How do Yoda and Obi-Wan KNOW Vader is Anakin?
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Originally posted by Ushgarak

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however you gotta allow me to get back to you on some points you counter retracted on Anakin's emotional frustration. but not just yet . ASAP. coz im a bit busy tonight.


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That debating the topic, cavola....not backchatting a warning.


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And do it in a new thread, please.


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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Geez, I am glad you don't run the Galaxy!

1. Yes, making a wager- it was the way to free him. Yes, Jedi are against slavery but QGJ is not God; he cannot click his fingers and make it end. He did the right thing in the circumstances.

2. It was his DESTINY. Qui-Gon knew that. That settles it.

3. If Obi-Wan had not chosen to do it, no-one else would have, and that would have been the end of that.

5. ALL he achieved was to send himself on the path to the Dark Side. He did not save or help anyone and he DID slaughter a load of innocents. If he had done as he was meant to and severed his emotional tis- listened to Obi-Wan- this would never have happened.

6. Anakin is ill-disciplined, selfish, over-emotional and immature. It is 100% Obi-Wan's job to criticise and attempt to correct that.

7. No, that would have been stupid, because then you would have no Chosen One and the Sith would win.

8. You are not MEANT to be attached! That was entirely his fault! That is the rather obvious point! Anakin's failing is his over-attachment.

9. Now you are just babbling- the quote is irrelevant, and no, no such thing happened.

Now, let me close this decisively. George Lucas himself says QGJ did the right thing in freeing Anakin and choosing to train him. If he had not, the Sit would have won everlasting. Anakin had a destiny to save the Galaxy- but before he finally got there in ROTJ, he made a conscious decision to reject that destiny and choose something far darker. He did that because of HIS failings.

And yes, the cicmsances were not ideal; he was too old, and Obi-Wan not experineced enough. But it was still right thing to do. In the final analysis, the fault for things going wrong... is entirely down to Anakin and his own failings.

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Now, does anyone have any more remarks on-topic?


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Leave that to us mods. wink


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Here is what I find to be likely. It is not entirely confirmed, yet highly probable that there will be a scene in the middle of the movie where Anakin receives his Sith title. If so, then I would argue that during his duel with Obi-Wan, he simply tells him. People have said it before, and I will say it again. I believe that Anakin will plainly tell Obi-Wan that he has joined with Palpatine and has been given the title of Darth Vader. Problem solved.


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Yeah, I agree that he'll let Obi-Wan in on that. And I do believe he gets his title before he goes behind the mask.


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Originally posted by darth_surgent
Here is what I find to be likely. It is not entirely confirmed, yet highly probable that there will be a scene in the middle of the movie where Anakin receives his Sith title. If so, then I would argue that during his duel with Obi-Wan, he simply tells him. People have said it before, and I will say it again. I believe that Anakin will plainly tell Obi-Wan that he has joined with Palpatine and has been given the title of Darth Vader. Problem solved.



Whoah, are you saying that there is a possibility that Anakin will be named Darth Vader BEFORE he battles ObiWan and receives the "Vader suit"?

That would really change a lot of opinions.


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i thought that all along, i mean especially if anakin commits himself to sideous before the duel it would make sense that he gives anakin the title of darth vader at the time

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this idea might be out there a bit, but here's another one:

After Anakin is saved from the lava following the dual, one of the remaining Jedi could follow from a distance and observe their movements and Anakin's recovery, kinda like Obi-Wan did on Geonosis. And Obi-Wan and Yoda could be listening to the Jedi's report via comlink, when suddenly the line goes dead as the Jedi was discovered and quickly killed by Anakin.....then they would know......


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That's a very plausible theory Ken. thumb up


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The name Darth Vader doesn't come with the suit I think. Maul doesn't wear a suit like that, neither do Palpy and Dooku. Yet they all have the Darth titles. If anakin turns halfway the movie, it strikes me as quite normal that he receives his Darth title.... not when he's chopped in half. IMHO


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Originally posted by cornponious
Whoah, are you saying that there is a possibility that Anakin will be named Darth Vader BEFORE he battles ObiWan and receives the "Vader suit"?

That would really change a lot of opinions.


Well, I know that what I said was an obvious statement, but this thread is asking how Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin is Darth Vader, and I plainly answered the question in the simplest of terms. And anyway, though it may be simple to you and I, there are many people who get so caught up in whacky theories, that they miss the most likely explanation.


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WHat explanation. They KNOW. Who else could be a powerful Jedi like that? Plsu OB1 would sense it is Anakin. Vader sense OB1 in ANH, they know each other so well, sensing who is who is quite obvious here.


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Originally posted by darth_surgent
Well, I know that what I said was an obvious statement, but this thread is asking how Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin is Darth Vader, and I plainly answered the question in the simplest of terms. And anyway, though it may be simple to you and I, there are many people who get so caught up in whacky theories, that they miss the most likely explanation.



Right. My point is that, since the 80's, we all have this image of Darth Vader being the man AND the suit. For many of us, the suit goes with the name. To see Anakin as Darth Vader, but without the suit, would be kind of strange, but I can see it clearly now.

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but this thread is asking how Obi-Wan and Yoda know that Anakin is Darth Vader, and I plainly answered the question in the simplest of terms.
you answered it with your view on things

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Im just not ready to buy Anakin being called Vader BEFORE he dons the helmet.


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Why not? The suit is an accessory.... Has nothing to do with the man, his capacities and his evil side.


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guess it is just the image we have so far is vader being the man in that suit

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guess it is just the image we have so far is vader being the man in that suit


I agree, Finti. That was my view as well.

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