that is exactly the point i make a2v,
anakin IS vader. vader feels anakin's pain. anakin's pain turns him into vader. thus, his original identity should be non-existant at that point.
he is CHANGED into vader.
lucas implies that the "good man" retains his I.D.
which means that vader is IN NO WAY anakin.
so in other words, there was no struggle to return to the good side.
anakin just kind of "wakes up", which i think is lame
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I think it acctually does make sense that he would learn it as a Jedi with Obi Wan and Yoda... it must be a tool of only the light side... if Vader had never known the trick then did he learn it in between ANH and ROTJ? if so from who?... certainly not Palpatine... If this is only a Jedi trick then he must have learned it from Jedi as a Jedi
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I dont know how you can make that assumption... Its very clear there is a struggle, (tell your sister she was right) Vaders struggle between the light and Dark side is really what the OT comes down to.
GL is just saying that he is able to retreive his full self again before any injuries...Shaw had no injuries when he returned also so already we know that it is possible to come back different from your final form
RIGHT, so there IS NO ANAKIN, he buried himself.
his IDENTITY is not pure, not retained, it is "twisted and evil"
anakin gives in to his hate.
he is blinded by hate, and the dark side.
in the last scene of RotJ, he comes to the realization that
his son is about to die at the hands of his master, thus anakin comes
full circle, lets go of his hate, sacrifices himself, and saves his son.
'I am your father' is the cheapest of all soap opera tricks. In fact, much of Star Wars is built on obvious plotting that is rather the point. There really is too much fretting going on here.
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By lack of knowledge, I meant the ghost part. Unless someone else becomes a ghost and Anakin sees them, this doesn't seem to contradict established facts...
ush is right, it could all be inaccurate info, so im done here.
its only making my blood boil with rage against GL,
so i will just pray that its either
This seems to have come from a misunderstanding of the article. Anakin knew it was theoretically possible to join the Force at death. He never saw it done till he was Vader. Then uses it himself when he's dying. He doesn't use it before he's put into the suit.......
Right. It doesn't say he tried it. Because if he did, and Vader's a shell, then you're right about it being a bad idea. But that would contradict the basis of the OT.
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