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Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
I dont know how you can make that assumption... Its very clear there is a struggle, (tell your sister she was right) Vaders struggle between the light and Dark side is really what the OT comes down to.

GL is just saying that he is able to retreive his full self again before any injuries...Shaw had no injuries when he returned also so already we know that it is possible to come back different from your final form

A2V, i make the assumption based on this article, but it is NOT my view on what i think is good.

it IS cleat that there is a struggle.
VADER becomes ANAKIN again.
its not a split personality, which is the direction i think this is taking.
it SHOULD be anakin turns evil, then turns good again.
that is the heart and soul of the story.
thats why i am aggrivated

Sep 8th, 2004 07:56 PM

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Right. It doesn't say he tried it.

god i hope so, i really hope so

Sep 8th, 2004 07:57 PM

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however, he still has the knowledge...and then he forgets it...

so i MUST ask...what is the point of adding this to the plot?

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Sep 8th, 2004 07:58 PM

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wait a minute...i get it...he's trying desperately to explain why anakin is a ghost....but why? why at the expense of stupid memory-loss add ons to the plot. why can he not simply be a ghost in the end because he is the chosen one?

Sep 8th, 2004 08:00 PM

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Take a deep breath, PVS, everythings alright. big grin

As for the apparent split personality, I don't think of it in a literal sense.
Anakion buried himself in the Vader persona to shield himself from what he'd done and become. It seems his awakening scene sets this up, to me.
He flips out about Padme and his child, so he kind of snaps....

Sep 8th, 2004 08:03 PM

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Lucas feels the need to explains things in this trilogy that don't neccessarily
need explaining.

Sep 8th, 2004 08:05 PM

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no, i think i figured it cipher...you were right.
he WONT do the trick before he becomes vader..
he will "forget" about it and "re-remember" it in the end of RotJ...which is still just beyond stupid.

*takes deep breath*

its not working

*takes another deep breath*

still not working

*counts to ten*

nope...still pissed wink

Sep 8th, 2004 08:06 PM

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Maybe he didn't forget, he just didn't know it actually worked....
Until he saw, that is...

This certainly adds to the speculation. Good. This forum needed some life again....

Sep 8th, 2004 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Cipher
he didn't forget, he just didn't know it actually worked....
Until he saw, that is...

but that would never be explained on film. and it would open many holes as i said:

why did he not even SUSPECT that ben was still 'alive'?

surely, after seeing ben VANISH, he should have said
"that old bastard pulled it off...he must still be alive with the force"

Sep 8th, 2004 08:13 PM

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End of rotj

luke said "but im gonna save u"

anakin(not vader) "you already have"

So this dont bother me at all !!! after hes said that i would expect him to come back as anakin ghost man.

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here's how i THOUGHT it would happen

-anakin falls
-ben and yoda learn of the "technique" from quigon.
-they decide to use this when the twins are of age, to aid them against the sith
-thus vader has no knowledge that kenobi is alive, and the good guys have an 'ace in the hole'

now that's shot to pieces

Sep 8th, 2004 08:16 PM

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after hes said that i would expect him to come back as anakin ghost man.

as would we all, plus he is the 'chosen one' so why explain why he is a ghost? perhaps he doesnt have to do the trick? perhaps thats just part of being the chosen one? do we really need it picked apart and explained to us like it seems will happen?

Sep 8th, 2004 08:18 PM

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that does make sense pvs...

mmm

but anakin appeared as a ghost at the end anyway in the original and it wasnt a prob then, i actually enjoyed it (i was about 10) and rounded things off nicely

so does it really matter if is hayden ?? all hes done is change it to hayden to fit in

i think if he explaines force ghosts( by keeping his ID) then its cool

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^^ sorry peeps, kinda lost myself in myself, had too much wine

whether it being hayden is not the issue here

do we really need to know HOW he did it......................NO

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no thats not what i dont like.
hayden-shaw, doesnt matter to me.
its just that i cant see vader having knowledge of the 'technique'
it sucks. the only way to explain it is memory loss...and that sucks

EDIT>>>ok, just got your edit laughing