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Darth Plagueis is Anakins father
A Jedi gains power through understanding; a Sith gains understanding through power.” – Darth Sidious, RotS.
In the Galaxies Theatre, Anakin Skywalker is the guest of the Chancellor Palpatine. The elite of Coruscant have gathered to watch the graceful movements of a female Mon Calamari soloist.
As the graceful dancer moves about stage, Chancellor Palpatine recounts an old story; the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.
This infamous Dark Lord of the Sith supposedly gained such an insight into the Force that he was actually able to influence the midichlorians to create life. Anakin becomes interested in this story after his haunting dreams of Padme’s death – perhaps this time he could prevent her death, unlike his mother’s.
Anakin asks what happened to Plagueis in the story. Palpatine says that he was murdered by his apprentice as soon as he discovered the same power. Still thinking about Padme, Anakin asks “Would it be possible to learn this secret in some way?”
"Clearly, not from the Jedi," replies Palpatine with a gentle smile.
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SithSpy
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that sounds awesome, is this your own thought or did you get this from somewhere?
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Dec 22nd, 2004 01:49 PM |
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Wait, do you mean that Sidious could have influenced the midichlorians in such a way that Anikin was born?
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Dec 22nd, 2004 01:53 PM |
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Hmmmmm. I pondered this myself initially. It would certainly make sense though that if Anakin isn't the creation of Plagueis, that he is bound to identify with this anecdote and maybe wonder this himself and be thinking-"Maybe I have a natural affiliation/destiny with the Darth lineage....('Cause of the 'midichlorian origin' thing)" and that could influence his decision along with the ambition-to-help-Padme.
But if he IS the creation of Plagueis then wouldn't it make it seem that was always born to be evil, thus detracting from GL's "It was circumstance that drove Anakin to the darkside,and it could happen to the best of us" direction taken over TPM and AOTC...?
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Dec 22nd, 2004 01:58 PM |
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The info is from MF.
I think Palp was the apprentice from Plagueis and he killed him.
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Dec 22nd, 2004 02:00 PM |
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Yup... I reckon. 
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Dec 22nd, 2004 02:02 PM |
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there is another thread about this. Plagueis isnt Anakins father!
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Dec 22nd, 2004 02:58 PM |
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please merge
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Dec 22nd, 2004 03:53 PM |
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Well, I don't know about the whole Dark Lord creating life through midichlorians thing, but if it was like that with Anakin and he was suppose to be destined to join the Dark Side, which he eventually did, he really didn't have to.... because there's always that problem........... choice.
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I think that it's to be interpreted as Darth Plagueis can "extend" life, not "create" life. Think of Anakin saying "I will find a way to keep people from dying". Most people in the GFFA have a way of "creating" life... they just don't do it with midichlorians! 
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anakin has no father, hasnt lucas confirmed this himself?
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Dec 22nd, 2004 05:15 PM |
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Very interesting indeed not sure if this is true star wars history or not. But it is obivious that Sidious murdered Plagueis but I'm not sure that Anakin was created by Plagueis. Because if he was why didn't Sidious after killing Plagueis go ahead and train Anakin himself instead of taking the chance that he would turn to the dark side, because nothing is certain. Remember Sidious was certain that Vader couldn't be turned from the dark side in ROTJ and Vader did. Maybe if Yoda trained Anakin then he would have never turned to the dark side, if Sidious trained Anakin himself then Anakin would have been pure evil without any conflict or good in him like he had ROTJ.
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I posted this on another MB, and I'm posting it here, now.
Alright I'm going to have to say this. Does anybody see what is obviously in front of our faces? ? ? ?
Now, if this spoiler is true, and I have no reason to believe it is NOT true, then we have a revelation here.
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This infamous Dark Lord of the Sith supposedly gained such an insight into the Force that he was actually able to influence the midichlorians to create life. Anakin becomes interested in this story after his haunting dreams of Padme’s death – perhaps this time he could prevent her death, unlike his mother’s.
So, Palpatine says that Plagueis was able to cause the midichlorians to create life. Now, the spoiler goes on to talk about Anakin's dreams, but I believe that this relates DIRECTLY to the birth of Anakin, who HAD NO FATHER.
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Anakin asks what happened to Plagueis in the story. Palpatine says that he was murdered by his apprentice as soon as he discovered the same power. Still thinking about Padme, Anakin asks “Would it be possible to learn this secret in some way?”
Here Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis' apprentice murdered Plagueis "as soon as he discovered the same power"
IT'S AS PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON MY VIRTUAL FACE!!!!
Palpatine is EXTREMELY old, so old that HE was in fact Darth Plagueis' apprentice!! And it was PALPATINE who learned how to cause the midichlorians to create life, just like his OLD MASTER!!! So, logically, PALPATINE IS ANAKIN'S FATHER!! He manipulated the midichlorians to create Anakin in order to fulfill the prophecy, and complete his own vision of galactic rule.
This is why Palpatine is so interested in Anakin. He is Anakin's "father". This resonates with the Vader/Luke father/son theme.
These are indeed the salad days of ROTS spoilers.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously I thought there was NOTHING Lucas could do that would ruin this for me but THAT would definitely do it.
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Dec 22nd, 2004 06:46 PM |
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i dont know if i share your level of dismay JP, but i do agree that this new(supposed) plot point is stupid and really not necessary.
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Dec 22nd, 2004 07:07 PM |
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indeed
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Dec 22nd, 2004 07:09 PM |
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This has the potential for being a MAJOR point of conflict among fans.
Entire religious denominations have split over less than this.
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Dec 22nd, 2004 07:12 PM |
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To me, Anakin MUST be a product of pure force, without anyone's help. To be anything else ruins his mystique for me.
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i agree
may as well just explain where the force came from...why not throw in the big bang theory just to wrap it all up...what a crock
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Dec 22nd, 2004 07:18 PM |
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well i remember hearing a LOOOONG time ago that GL didnt like the flack he was catching for the "immaculate conception" idea, and was thinking about making an old rouge jedi (sidious...who would then not be palpls) go and more or less rape Shmi, resulting in Anakin, and she was too embarrassed to admit that to Qui-Gon....Obviously he changed that being that Palps is Sidious, but maybe this load of crap is his way of sticking to it but still in a way stick to his guns.....but jp is right.....crap on a stick.
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