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There are no informed people, no matter how opposed to the war, that believe it is for oil. Even those most opposed just believe Bush is incompetant and made a lot of mistakes.
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So on the one hand, intelligence was terrible and couldn't tell a WMD from a french fry, but on the other hand, this fellow is quite credible when it comes to opposing Mr. Bush.
Actually I do. We went in there for oil and because the Bush family is still pissed they didn't get him the first time because he embarassed them. A soldier was once interviewed and made a comment about how much planning went into the war, years he said. The newscaster said, didn't they go in there because of 9/11 and he said he couldn't comment further and had a look on his face Like "i can't believe i let that slip". The whole thing is bull. Thats why I said when this thread started, who cares if they got rid of Sadaam? we're still full of crap, that makes us hypocrits and we've spat in the face of democracy by lying to our own people. We were too busy pouring out french wine (god I wanted to cry, what a waste), and coming up with clever jokes like "freedom fries"...all the while forgeting that the French gave us the Statue of Liberty and supported us with troops in the Revolutionary war...how quickly we forget in this country...
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No, perhaps I am confused in what I was responding to. In any case there was a misunderstanding. I said that if we were attacking everyone that simply disagreed with us France would be a parking lot.
that's because...again...the real world is more complex than a sci-fi "kids" movie. Instead we talked crap about them...all the while forgeting what they've done for us. In our world we destroy your public view, that's more powerful than actually destroying a country.
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Actually the majority of the planning for the war was done under the Clinton Administration. The Bush Administration simply updated the plans to account for what had changed since the plans were drafted. Those years of planning occured under Clinton.
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Who's view did we destroy? The American people's? Americans already weren't the biggest fans of France. Other countries'? If all these other countries hate the US so much, speaking negatively of France would only help them.
exactly. that's why we never went in there before. But after America's bloodlust went unchecked since we lost track of Osama, we went for the next best thing...another Arab, American's can't tell afgani from Iraqi from Lebonese. They won't care. its funny how we get so worked up when a couple thousand die here (and no disrespect to any family members of victims, that was a horrible tragedy) and we get a bloodlust. Thousands die in Africa EVERY DAY. And what do we do? Go after Sadaam. Why? Afica doesn't have anything useful since they've already been raped by anglo-saxons during the diamond mining era. But you can bet, if they still had all that wealth, we'd be in there in a second. And Cheney's former company would get the first contracts, just like Halobertan (sp) got the first oil contracts in Iraq.
I don't know about that last sentence, that doesn't make any sense. But yeah, the american's peoples view of France. Which was bad already, that's why they made such an easy target. Again, we forgot they helped us with troops during the Revolution, and gave us the Statue of Liberty. I don't understand us hating the French. i love them personaly. The wine, the louvre, so much great art, cinema...
But I digress...again, it was another distraction to keep us from noticing them passing the Patriot Act at 2:30 in the morning and further taking of our rights and warping of our minds. And we celebrated it, just like Padme said of the people of the Republic. Compare the concepts and you'll see. Its like Plato used to teach, you break things down into their base concepts and you'll understand so much more of the world. And, conceptually, the clone wars and the "Operation Iraqi Freedom" share many dangerous similarities.
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Haloburton?
Some observers suggest that the perfidy of the youthful Kerry had not much tempered by the time, when as a U.S. senator, he was frocked as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in 1992.
To many, Kerry's agenda as chairman appeared to be more about racing to the normalization of relations with Vietnam than ending the miseries of POW/MIA survivors thirsting for definitive answers as to what happened to their men.
Visiting Vietnam, Kerry repeatedly angered the homefolk by praising his former enemy for being open and reporting that he was convinced they were not holding American POWs.
In the end, Kerry and his committee determined in a 500-page final report that American POWs were left alive in Vietnam after the war but felt none were still alive. It made no attempt to identify those left behind, how they died, who killed them or where their remains might be located.
Many POW/MIA families simply didn’t believe him, and they were soon given more to ruminate on as to what could have driven Kerry to such unsatisfying and incomplete conclusions.
Shortly after Kerry declared to the world, “President Bush should reward Vietnam within a month for its increased cooperation in accounting for American MIAs,” Vietnam announced it had granted Colliers International, based in Boston, a contract worth millions.
Designating Colliers International as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam, the communist regime positioned the company to rake in tens of millions of dollars in future contracts to upgrade Vietnam’s ports, railroads and other infrastructure.
C. Stewart Forbes, chief executive officer of Colliers International, is John Forbes Kerry’s cousin.
The saga, however, does not end there. There remains the nettlesome matter of the document shredding.
John F. McCreary, a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst assigned to Kerry’s committee, is a member of the Virginia State Bar and consequently saw an obligation to report what he suspected was misconduct by Kerry, also an attorney governed by the lawyers’ ethics code.
McCreary felt duty-bound to report knowledge of Kerry’s document shredding – specifically, the intelligence briefing text - to Vice Chairman Bob Smith.
A memorandum by McCreary: “Sen. John Kerry ... told the Select Committee members that ‘all copies’ would be destroyed. This statement was made in the presence of the undersigned and of the Staff Chief Counsel who offered no protest.”
On April 9, 1992, McCreary verified that the original document was destroyed, as well as 14 copies.
The McCreary memo continued: “On 15 April 1992, the Staff Chief Counsel, J. William Codinha ... ridiculed the Staff members for expressing their concerns; and replied, in response to questions about the potential consequences, ‘Who’s the injured party,’ and ‘How are they going to find out because its classified.’”
To defuse the growing crisis, on April 16 Kerry stated that the original documents had remained in the Office of Senate Security all along, so nothing wrong had been done.
But according to McCreary: “The Staff Director had deposited a copy of the intelligence briefing text in the Office of Senate Security at 1307 on 16 April.”
Kerry had, according to McCreary, ordered a non-original copy of the document entered into the Office of Senate Security, but only after protests from staff caused him to rethink complete destruction of the documents.
As McCreary stated at the time, this “constituted an act to cover up the destruction.”
Ironically, the Kerry campaign's Web site states: “When John Kerry returned home from Vietnam, he joined his fellow veterans in vowing never to abandon future veterans of America’s wars. Kerry’s commitment to veterans has never wavered and stands strong to this day.”
what does anything to do with the concepts of the Iraqi war and the rise of the Empire? we aren't talking about Kerry's track record.... but uhhh...thanks for sharing. See, this is the dangerous brainwashing I'm talking about in America. I start questioning the Administration....and Lazer whips out the track record of yet another villified target of the Republican Party. Why did you bother to post that? does that have anything to do with anything? If you looked into Bush this much I'd be impressed, instead of just jumping onto ANOTHER band wagon.
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I was only citing it in response to Haliburton. Basically, Kerry's deal is Haliburton PLUS selling out POWs that may have been in Vietnam for financial gain. The point is that if you are going to criticize Bush so much, realize that the other side is just as bad.
Look, it's sad to say but if you are high enough in power to be elected President like Bush or Kerry, or Jacque Cherac or Tony Blair or ANYONE, you probably have just as much dirty laundry than the next guy, so it's pretty blind to focus all the attention on one individual as though they are the only party guilty of it.
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May 9th, 2005 07:06 AM
John 3:16 ^Thanks Ast Rofan^
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