Sidious had a damn hard time keeping on, he got his face fried and he was losing control. He cowered for his life even before Anakin came in and Mace was ready to kill him. Sidious had no real way of knowing that Anakin would betray Mace. He couldn't really know for sure, why take the risk? Sidious wasn't faking it, he lost.
Sidious lost on purpose against Mace, to stimulate and make Anakin's turn to the dark side moment final.
As for Yoda, he is a little stronger than the green little friend.
I think Sidious let himself be scarred on purpose. He seriously could have unloaded the lightning on Mace a lot stronger much sooner had he wanted to. Has anyone here even seen the old trilogy. Palpatine was always having visions of the future about what the jedi were going to do.
"He will come to you and you must bring him before me!" - ROTJ
He knew Anakin was coming and YES, he was OVERCONFIDENT. It was his weakness.
And I believe Yoda and Sidious were basically equal. Yoda just had made a few blunders. Had they fought on Yoda's terms in a different location, at a different time, things might have gone completely different. The same can be said for the Obi-Wan vs Anakin fight. And really, these fights were all pretty evenly matched. There were other fights that were no contest at all. Poor librarian.
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Visions or well educated guesses? And even if he had visions they weren't enough to make him know what would exactly take place. Maybe he knew Mace and the Jedi would come, but did he realise that Mace would beat him? Did he see that? He sure as hell didn't foresee that Vader would pick him up and throw him away.
I do... because it made him look more evil (always desirable in a Sith Lord), it made him more angry and that much more powerful (in theory) and it gave him a good excuse to use when addressing the senate about how the Jedi attacked him. He was now deformed. It also aided Anakin in turning towards the darkside... seeing him deformed and twisted made him feel sorry for Palpy.
Anakin didn't feel sorry for Palp, he wanted him arrested he just needed him alive so that he could save his girl, that was his only real goal.. He didn't care about anything else.
And the attack on him? Yeah okay it may have been a nice extra line but hardly necessary.
NO WAY GUYS!!!
the movie showed clearly mace was dominant over palps, hands down end of contest. he got pinned down by Mace after getting his skinny butt kicked down and after his desperation move of force lightning mace delivered back into his face. Palps was losing long before anikin came into the room. Thats why i am of the mind Mace must be so uber in combat. Looked how much butt he kciked on the sith lord himself!! He got killed because of a cheap shot by a third party, nothing more.
Actually i thought Yoda vs Sids looked pretty even to me. I think maybe Yoda had just a smidgen of an edge over palps but that was it. I think yoda would have won if he could have kept up his stamina longer
He would have one if his lightsaber wouldn't have been destroyed, which is the best thing I have seen Sids do, although he was probably just lucky... still that mean the end of Yoda his fight and caused Yoda to run.. No use in fighting if you don't have a weapon to fight with.
Sidious tried to run away from Yoda and he was scared of Yoda. He didn't want to face him...
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You know, if you look earlier in this thread and in the Mace is the hardest thread you'll see that I strongly argued that Sidious faked it with Mace, but I am really beginning to see it the other way. If I can be turned, it must be the truth!
[QUOTEI still stick by my assessment that Palp faked losing the fight with Mace. Ian acted it too over the top. It was pretty obvious to me.
I think that Yoda and Palp are close in power, but that Palp still trumps. If Yoda was stronger than him, why not kill him and save the galaxy?[/QUOTE]
this is exactly right, leaving aside the mace/ palps argument for now if yoda was truly stronger then why would he go into exile? why not go and kill sidious...???? think about that, even with vader there. just bring obi with u, if obi defeated vader pre-suit. he prolly would beat him post-suit. and if yoda was truly stronger then sidious then both him and obi could have just gone back together and killed both of them. the OT requires that the 2 reaming jedi could not defeat the sith. thats the point.
as for the mace thing, how can u really think that palps lost...did u see the way he was acting?
i mean common, it was so over the top it was funny, people in the theater were laughing cause they knew exactly what palps was doing...hes a sneaky scheming guy, and hes good at it...this was a perfect example of it.
i still maintain that paps would have won, i mean he could have just force thrown windu away for a sec and then lighting him to death, not even mace can hold it off for that long...
i seriously doubt that palpatine would have just given up as he did if anakin hadn't shown up.
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If Palpatine was able to defeat Yoda, he certainly would have been able to defeat Vader when he picks him up instead of cackling like a fool while he gets thrown down the reactor shaft.
Moreso, after that initial battle it's no longer a matter of Yoda and Obi-wan simply walking in and handing it to Palpatine. Yoda caught him at an oppurtune time, at the very beginning of the empire before things have really gotten started, when all he had in defense was two guards. After that point, the emperor was surrounded at all times by a good chunk of the fleet and more stormtroopers than you can shake a stick at. Yoda's great, but even he can't singlehandedly overthrow the entire Imperial navy to get to Palpatine.
So palps was faking his loss before Anakin could see it? He was faking it for what reason then?
And with Yoda, Yoda left because he lost his lightsaber. In the OT you don't see him wielding a lightsaber either, why not? Probably because he lost it and didn't make a new one... Which probably isn't all that easy to do without places to do it. Now i'm sure Yoda could do it, but he could possibly have to face army's, how do you do that without a lightsaber? Answer: You don't.
He matches Sidious even then, but he knows damn well that it can't be long before troopers come along, its going to be hard to deflect blaster fire without a lightsaber and then at the same time fight Sidious? Yoda isn't stupid.
Sidious was outmatched by both of them though.
And how do you explain Palps running away before he even faces Yoda, he wanted to get the hell out of there. Wanted to run, he was afraid and for a good reason. If he could not beat Mace who was second to Yoda then he sure as hell could not beat Yoda.
Now by your logic if he was so much more powerful then Mace that he could actually afford faking a loss like that then why the hell did he run from Yoda? If he was able to defeat Mace in a split second as soon as it was necessary to do so he had no reason to run, because he would have been incredible.
Palp changed his appearance on his own. He made it seem as if the "Jedi" disfigured his face, when that was indeed his true form. That was he excuse for evenone to believe that the Jedi were trying to overthrow eveything.
Palpy knew that Anakin was going to come and that would be the deciding fate of Mace. Mace was struggling just to hold the lightning with the saber. Plus Sids wasnt even unleashing full power against Mace. "Im sooo weak" That was Sids playing possum. So weak? But as soon as Mace got thrown out of the window, Sids got up with no problems. Palpy knew exactly what was gonig to happen. He even knew that Anakin was having dreams about Padme dying.
The fight with Yoda on the other hand, was clearly a draw. Best fight of the movie imo.
Then why the hell did he immediately run from Yoda, if he had no trouble at all with number two, why would he run from number 1? Yes he's going to be more powerful but come on there are limits, you beat the one without trying and you are scared of the other?
If it was his original form why did it seem to decay? And since when can he actually cloud the way his face looks? Also why look ugly after that. And yes he stands up after that, but remember Anakin in AOTC. He stands up a few seconds after he gets his lightning in his ass too, not even to mention that he does like kinda weak when he gets up.
And still doesn't explain why he was faking it before Anakin came in... Why lose before that?
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May 20th, 2005 05:34 PM
John 3:16 ^Thanks Ast Rofan^
