I could give a damn if you dont want to dig it up. I am sick of your Sidious cock suckers on this damn website. Make sure you let him CUM ALL OVER YOU mouth. I think he would like that.
Hmm let's see. First, it cant be denied Sidious is extraordinarily good with lightsaber and very powerful in force. Even though he used suprise and massive force speed-up, he took almost 4 best swordsman's jedi order had to offer and killed three without big problem's. He also trained Darth Maul who had quite incredible fighting skill's for so young Sith. Sidious held force lightning against Mace for long time and although tired, he was far from complete exhaustion.
Anyway this is how i see it -
Against Mace
Palpatine won even before the fight started. He knew Anakin would bring the master's on him and he was fully prepared for the moment. I think it was one big gamble - he knew that not much in jedi order could match him, but that there were some like Yoda and Mace that could be a real threat to him. Therefore he created a situation where Anakin would have to step in and save him. He was only searching for a point which would allow Anakin to reason for going over to dark side - which was Padme. Once he was sure Anakin is his, he finally allowed jedi to confront him. He showed incredible, almost suicide bravery just so he could get situation to a point where he is old broken man the chosen one has to save. Don't forget Palpatine knew Anakin better then anyone, obi-wan included. He was the only one who understood why is the boy so different from normal jedi - that he's packed with concealed dark side thought's.
So to break it down, imo Mace could beat Palpatine in lightsaber fight, especially using his superior physical strenght, but could never beat him if palpatine used his full force power instead of settling for force speeded melee. The only reason he did that was because he had to get through to Anakin with his show of cruel jedi terroryizing chancellor who did nothing obviously wrong and was Anakin's good friend.
So Mace - better swordsman, but poor guy was just used by palpatine even at his victory point.
Yoda versus Palpatine - id say here it was evenly matched. Palpatine was using dark side which is more destructive and offensive and was trained from early age to kill jedi. Yoda, on the other hand, was ancient and had unparalled understanding of the force, enough so to turn force lightning's away or even back with bare hands. Here id say Yoda could only win if he pulled off fast kill - there would soon be entire building's guard on him if he didnt move. He did his best but found Sidious equal in melee fight - which is not that suprising, considered both didnt have much of an physical strenght and rellied on their incredible speed. Sidious went for force contest and scored some good points with saucer's and knocking Yoda's lightsaber out. In direct contest Sidious was losing but was obviously straining Yoda who was finally thrown by his own power hundred's meter's and lost lot of power just to survive the fall. But you could see Sidious exhausted but unhurt and immidiately hurrying off to help Vader. That bring's me to a point that they were evenly matched and it was really just a question who placed the right force power where - but it was obvious the match wouldnt be decided before palpatine's force's would descend on him.
Result : sheer dark side strenght and feriocity against incredible light force experience, probably a draw with stronger side unknown. But yes i belive there was a chance Palpatine wouldnt walk out of this one alive, but same for Yoda.
How could you even say Mace could of beat Sidious in a Lightsaber match? Sidious was going slow and Sloppy and Mace and did you see him going all out and fast at Yoda? i suggest you watch both fights again
Quite simply the Jedi are bound by rules so even if everyone was equal the Sith would still win as they would go the extra mile to win. So the question shouldn't be who is the most powerful but who is the most cunning?
You need to read the book to understand the difference with Mace. Yoda is using Ataro, fast jumpy style that is quite common. The different speed's and skill can be explained as animated character's instead of live one's - no one can move that fast and make it seem realistic - both Mace's and Sidious actor's weren't probably very good at swordsmanship, so they pretty much couldnt fight at blinking speed without animation taking over.. Mace's style doesnt look like Vaapad that much if you ask me, although he did go on him with repeated blow's, but it's that style that would make him superior to both Sidious and Yoda in swordfight, at last if you go by book. I still dont think it'd be enough against pure force power of Sidious though. Again if you go by book, Sidious was able to push his saber into his face and gave up only because he wanted Anakin to make the blow.
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I would guess to say though (the movie or novel doesnt cover why he slowed down)...Sids had to adapt his style of fighting to go against mace because he knew whatever he threw at mace would be turned on him..tis vaapad...Sids knew his style and probably was looking for or hoping to get a lucky shot in....as far as how long sids could have kept up the force lightning attacks we will never ever know or whos to say that Mace wouldnt have used the force to pelt Sids with broken glass if he thought he couldnt hold back the lightning any longer...things we will never know but we do know for a fact shown in the movie Mace is better swordsman...he disarmed Sids and it really didnt take him that long to do it...
I think the line "unlimited power" was all anyone needed to decipher the code. Sidious took a fall to complete anakins transformation. I thought it was obvious but am glad to see its being debated.
Sidious was the most powerful being, in the force, during ep 3 IMO, no contest even.
Hell, sidious was the most powerful being in RoJ, but was tricked at the last second.
You must admit that Sidious was no average sith. He worked his plan, a brilliant plan BTW right in the face of the council, Yoda, Mace, ect.....this was no small feat. Setting up the clone wars and the republics fall, having all the pieces fall into place as "he has forseen" and your actually trying to say that he did not take a fall? He toyed with Mace and had such an easy time with Yoda, when he did not HAVE to take a fall that he almost doubled over in laughter throughout the fight. Yoda himself claimed failure. What else could you ask for?
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I think Sidious was an an old drunk..lol... the he was cackling while dangling off the senate pod about to fall to his doom...lol...friggin hilarious! reminded me of a friend who was drunk hanging from a tree limb at a campout and laughed so hard he fell out of the tree...LMAO!
From the latest Homing Beacon: Did Palpatine Throw the Fight?
The following is a sample entry of the new Set Diary series now available for Hyperspace members. In the summer of 2003, correspondent Pablo Hidalgo filed daily reports on the making of Episode III, but by necessity most of the plot details were obscured as to not spoil any secrets. Now that the movie is out, much of what was too hot in 2003 can be discussed, with further insight into the making of Revenge of the Sith.
It's one of the fieriest debates of online fan forums: when Palpatine was cornered in his office's giant window-frame, was he really overpowered by Mace? Or was he faking to lure Anakin? Could Mace really have gotten the upper hand on the Sith Lord?
George Lucas is the ultimate keeper of the true answer, and he's not telling... yet, anyway. If you had asked me in the Summer of '03, when the sequence was first shot, I would have had a solid answer. But, if you asked me in the Fall of '04, when the sequence was re-shot, well... for those who want to debate, it's best to know more of the story of how this scene came to be.
This entire sequence changed significantly during postproduction. What we witnessed in Sydney told a different story. Anakin did not earn Mace's trust by ratting out Sidious right away. He did not agonize over his decisions while sitting alone in the Jedi Council chamber. He did not rush in at the last minute to witness a questionable balance of power. Instead, he stayed at Palpatine's side, in the Chancellor's private office, as Mace and his posse of Jedi barged in.
"Stand behind me," ordered Mace, in Sam Jackson's demanding tones. But Anakin didn't budge. Instead, he watched passively as Palpatine used the Force to snatch Anakin's lightsaber from his belt and attacks Mace and the Jedi. There's ample evidence of this original version for those with sharp eyes and behind-the-scenes photos. Heck, even Hasbro action figures with Palpatine packaged with Anakin's lightsaber got out there in the initial shipments.
So, if Sidious' entire duel played out before Anakin's stunned eyes, I'd be inclined to think that his fall was just for show. This changed after a screening George Lucas held for a few key colleagues. Their reactions underscored the shortcomings of the way this duel was constructed. Anakin's inaction was hard to justify cinematically. "The story was there, but it wasn't clear," said Lucas at the time it came to rebuild this scene. "It was too abstract. We opened up that part and looked at what we could do."
When word of the change came down, the keepers of continuities started carefully tracking the evolving consequences. Palpatine had two lightsabers, then, since he loses this one in the duel with Mace. I still have in my inbox a tentative email from one of the authors asking, "um, have we figured out yet whose lightsaber Palpatine uses in the fight with the Jedi?"
At first, it was feared it was impossible to CG the small svelte-handled weapon over Anakin's relatively chunky handle, but nonetheless, that was the lightsaber given to McDiarmid for the pickup photography. The shots of Palpatine rising from his chair and extending the weapon were reshot. The bulk of the duel between Sidious and Mace stayed from principal photography, except for a new touch -- a kick to Palpatine's face, done with stunt double Michael Byrne. This was shot on a partial set of just a piece of window-frame on Friday, August 27.
So... with this revised duel, if Sidious threw the fight, it places an awful lot of faith on Anakin's timing ...and he suffered a kicked-in face to boot. For what it's worth to those arguing, I doubt there's anyone who thinks Palpatine's serious when he claims he's too weak. That's obviously a lie. But was the fall into the corner that preceded his pleas for help a lie as well?
What else changed in this scene? There are a few more interesting details, particularly where it moved in the sequencing of the story. But that will have to wait for another entry.
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