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Yeah... the ewoks were apparently quite skilled. What the f**k?


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I guess we were watching a different movie. But I saw Darth Maul as a Sith, who was trained for decades by the Sith lord himself. Maul also in the movie took out Qui gon, second strongest jedi, and a padawan at the same time. He dies in the end yes, but irrelevent to his powers. That's just him going anakin style and losing his mind, and his life. It happens with people full of rage as we have seen. But that doesn't make him weak. Where did he learn it? From Palps thats where. Palps has shown that he likes the strongest apprentices possible. And your right, the only way Dooku could have learned it, is through palps teaching him. So we know that Palps doesn't withhold powers from his apprentices. He teaches them to be strong. So, it stands to reason that palps taught Maul to be the strongest Sith he could be. And he was.

I can reach no other conclusion, then of course he can do it, he simply didn't do it in the movie because he didn't have to. He prefers his saber, and he clearly won his duels with his saber. But, just because he didn't do it in the movies, doesn't mean he can't. Who he is, how strong he was, and who he was trained by says it all. He has all the sith powers, just didn't have the experience and brains...

Nice debating with you guys on something that has no definitive answer. It helped me waste 2 hours of term paper writing smile

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There is nothing in the film to suggest that he either can or can not conjure lightning except for the fact that he never does...


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Ya but as I said, Yoda never took a shit on screen either. Does that mean he can't? smile

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I think the real issue is whether Darth Maul could defeat the Ewoks.

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Ya but as I said, Yoda never took a shit on screen either. Does that mean he can't? smile
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I'm sure Yoda shitting would not have furthered his trying to defeat Sidious... If Maul could use lightning he coulda just zapped Obi-Wan when he was hanging in the shaft...


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Has anyone mentioned the fact that the only 2 who ever do "create" force lightning are humans? Maul was a Zabrak. Is it likely that that has anything to do with this? No. But it is worth mentioning.

My personal opinion: Maul was very advanced with the lightsaber and probably did not feel a need to use force lightning. That was his master's style!


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i can do force lightning :-D

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He could also have easily force pushed Obi wan, to put some weight on him when hanging from the little knob also. Did he? No. The fact that Maul doesn't seem to have much of a brain in the end of that fight, shouldn't take away from what he did in the movie. That last scene was tremendously poorly shot. I'm able to overlook the last 20 seconds of the fight I guess, where others can't. It's star wars though. GL knows 3 things for that scene. First, Obi wan can't die. He must find a way to beat Maul. Second, it isn't plausable for obi wan to beat him in a straight up duel because Maul is obviously way more powerful then any of the Jedi's except for Yoda at the time. Lastly, it's a kids movie, and that last scene probably didn't look that bad from a childs perspective.

But for the die hard fans, that scene was just lame. But don't let that detract from the real issue of who Darth Maul was, how strong he was, and who he was trained by. 20 seconds of bad filming shouldn't take away what his character represents.

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Lol.

Good point...

But the real reason he isn't shown using lightning is because George wanted to save that little trick for the villain in the next film to make him seem even more badass...

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He could also have easily force pushed Obi wan, to put some weight on him when hanging from the little knob also. Did he? No. The fact that Maul doesn't seem to have much of a brain in the end of that fight, shouldn't take away from what he did in the movie. That last scene was tremendously poorly shot. I'm able to overlook the last 20 seconds of the fight I guess, where others can't. It's star wars though. GL knows 3 things for that scene. First, Obi wan can't die. He must find a way to beat Maul. Second, it isn't plausable for obi wan to beat him in a straight up duel because Maul is obviously way more powerful then any of the Jedi's except for Yoda at the time. Lastly, it's a kids movie, and that last scene probably didn't look that bad from a childs perspective.

But for the die hard fans, that scene was just lame. But don't let that detract from the real issue of who Darth Maul was, how strong he was, and who he was trained by. 20 seconds of bad filming shouldn't take away what his character represents.

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umm,I dont think so. I am really tired of hearing that Obi won by default.. Obi wan by playing to his strengths, strategy.. nothing wrong with that.. I have no idea what you mean abuot that last shot being poorly filmed.. I friggin loved it.. but somehow I dont see someone getting sliced in half as 'not that bad' for a child.. rather gruesome it was and it sure stunned me ()in a good way) the first time I saw it.. Yes Maul was WAY friggin awesome and I wish they hadnt killed him but I see nothing wrong with the scene itself , just IMO


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Oh please, you liked that last scene? Do you really think a Jedi or Sith wouldn't have seen that coming? It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Slow it's rediculous. Jedi's and Siths can see the future, which is why they appear to have such fast reflexes remember. Don't you think that if the last scene was shot properly, it would have been a very quick and decisive move by obi wan?

Not that slow ass flip over him, and a slow ass cut accross his body while maul is just standing there looking like a fuking idiot?

That scene was the single most poorly shot scene in any of the 6 star wars movies by fuking far. And that includes anything with Jar Jar in it, and any scene with an Ewok. Mauls death was the stupidest thing ever...

I know he had to die somehow, but give me a break.

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it would've been cool to see obi-wan win in straight combat. just out-manouver him and gut the ****er. but oh well.
and as for the lightning, sith are evil, ruthless bastards. i'm sure that if maul could've used the lightning, he would have. it would've helped him. he could've used it to throw obi-wan or QGJ off one of those platforms. it's not like a sith would fight honorably.


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Yo Rex, it's true, Tiin is an Ikotchi who's species is naturally telepathic. And Plo Koon's species has those abilities concerning climate. Both's natural skills were enhanced even further by the force.


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I liked the last scene too, so hah! Maul was caught off guard.

There is an idea that when Sith and Jedi fight one another, they nullify one another's 'future sense.' Otherwise, it'd be impossible for them to kill one another.


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palps force lightning

personally i think George Lucas should have made palpatine the only one who can use force lightning not dooku because if dooku could use it why couldnt maul or vadar i think that it should have only been palpatine coz in ROTJ he used it right at the end and it looked like apower of his own does any one else think this



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Because Vader would kill himself.
Maul focused 95% on lightsaber dueling
And Dooku was already a powerful Jedi Master and knowledge of the Force.


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Just because you didnt see Maul do it doesnt mean he cant. And using lightning would be suicide for post duel Vader.


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