There are quite a few things that people say about Empire, and they were as hard on it as they are the prequels, they'd say it' sucked.
1. After picking up Luke's X-wing, Yoda should have plopped it back int the swamp water, and made Luke pick it up by himself when he gets strong enough. In fact, Yoda really let Luke go, and possibly ruined the chance for freedom to be restored to the galaxy. Yoda almost failed again.
2. The dialogue in Empire is terribly hackneyed in many places. The Leia & Han dialogue especially.
3. Luke & Lando's acting is very sub-par.
4. The falcon travels between planetary systems... WITHOUT a hyperdrive! That would take years. (Before ROTJ came out nobody knew that x-wings could go hyperspace.)
To be honest they were like that because really luke and lando never really had a long screen time, you saw lando in the middle of the film like towards the end. And it mainly was focused on the han/leia love and its development. But hardly had any scenes with luke actually learning more stuff.
I'd say 'Empire' for being more well rounded in terms of laughs and moments of warmth balanced against the darkness whereas 'Revenge' was a total dark annihilation fest and the contrived 'droid slapstick merriment' of the first twenty minutes seemed to pale in the face of the naturally flowing humour in 'Empire' to me... I can't fault the currant DVD version of 'Empire' at all really... 'Revenge' was a SW classic, but up against the daddy of them all, it just loses out on the title IMHO..
Just depends what mood you are in at the time regarding the darkness issue, but the attempts to be funny that missed and a ever-so-slightly-lacking-spirit-compard-to-'Empire', kinda screw the pooch for me with 'Revenge'...
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Sep 28th, 2005 at 12:36 PM
Yeah they were, and so was the whole "Vader gets a new look scene."
That NOO! was very disappointing.
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I disagree, I liked the "Nooo," the point was it kind of was like it was still Anakin under there, and her death meant his journey towards the dark side was complete.
I liked the Artoo and the super battle droid bits. It didn't feel contrived at all, hell with that attitude you may as well say all 6 Star Wars movies were contrived.
And another thing wrong with "Empire," that laffable big ole' space slug. Now if that huge space worm were in the prequels, everyone would be riffing on it as if it were jar jar. But because it's in "Empire" well it's a classic. There's a bit of discrimination between the OT and the PT.
Well either Luke's scream is there, or it isn't. Only in the VHS version of the Special Editions is it there. So it wasn't there for 18 years, was there for 6, now it's removed from the DVDs.
Jar Jar had big teeth too!
Yet another thing wrong with Empire: Han, Leia & Chewie walk outside the Falcon in the Worm wearing nothing but a mask and space snorkel! Where's their pressure suit? Later they just fly right out of the mouth of the Slug into interplanetary space.
And another: Han flys the Falcon straight over the bridge of that Star Destroyer and somehow deploys the landing claw to snatch onto the back of the bridge... and no Imperial hears a thing or notices the collision! We all saw how fast the Falcon was going, it somehow deployed a claw and hooked on to the back of the brigdge without making any noise or noticable shuddering upon contact? At those speeds? Ya roight.
The fact is Yoda almost failed again. He should have dropped the X-Wing back in the swamp and made Luke pick it up. Yoda's point was showing Luke how strong the force was, but it enabled Luke to run away.
And another thing: There was nothing wrong with Luke X-wing after sitting for days in the swamp? He was able to fly away no problemo? If you believe that, I've got some cars in New Orleans to sell you!
To me, it showed the letting out of Anakins' final cry and humanity.
all that he cared about or was important to him was forever gone in his life until that point, and he just lost it, including all emotions because now, there was nothing to really live for.
the "Noo!" was very powerful, and i couldn't picture ep3 without it.
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Neither could I. I also couldn't picture the 3 out of 5 star rating that every newspaper I read gave it, in which they all describe the ending scene as, "a little forced. No pun intended."
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Well, I did think everything sort of happened all at once towards the last 20 mins or so.
You know, things I imagined, at least before watching ep. 3, that I figured would take at least some time to happen, all happened all together and kinda fast towards the end.
I mean, did all these important events, and probably some of the top most important events in all six movies, have to happen all at once the way they did in such a short amount of time. Unless the actual time span of these events were chronologically spread out in the form of days or a week or so. I think they were.
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Sep 15th, 2005 02:14 PM
That's the way I would have it.
