My god, that Sean Penn thing was the one that REALLY got to me. I was waiting the whole time to hear Depp's name and then...SEAN!
F*CKERS!
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arnt the visual effects in these movies all by ILM
I mean Harry Potter and Star Wars i know are by ILM
but im not sure about LOTR, King Kong , and The Matrix
War Of The Worlds came and went. It made some big money , but barely more than half of ROTS' take. The reviews for Sith were also better, overall. Nothing in that film was particulary groundbreaking to me; many shots had that Close Encounters felling, turned upside down. Spielberg and Cruise made it in a big hurry, and it shows. John Williams didn't even stand out; I think it's best shots at the Oscars are for it's disturbing sound design. As far as who's in, Hollywood I'm sure is quite fed up with Tom Cruise's current behavior, and Spielberg may ruffle some feathers with his Xmas project about the Mossad assasinations following Munich in 1972.
So I say the main competition for VFX is King Kong, and we'll see what that's like.
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LOTR and KK are Weta... The Matrix wasn't ILM either... But even so, what difference does it make? The quality of the FX depends largely on the director and how he chooses to use them. Lucas is not good at it...
ILM's work on WOTW was far better than their work on ROTS.
Well, we are talking about what kind of climate is in the current air; Oscar is political. The Phantom Menace should have won, but people were too mixed of mind about it. The Matrix seemed very fresh and new and cool, so it won. When the two sequels were released, there was such negative backlash, neither got a single nomination. George Lucas has found favour again, though he is not widely liked in Hollywood for his independence, so that comes into play why Sith can win this time.
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I'd agree with you if we were talking about the Best Picture, Director, or acting awards, but for the technical ones I think the Academy is usually very fair.
The Matrix had far better FX than TPM and was more revolutionary... And the Matrix sequels weren't nominated simply because their VFX sucked.
The VFX Award has nothing to do with Lucas, so your last statement doesn't make sense... unless of course you're talking about Sith winning Best Picture award. And I know you're not that stupid...
No way the first Matrix had better FX; there was so many breakthrough in CGI in TPM, from CG characters to sets etc. It was this kind of breakthrough that led the way for The Lord Of The Rings to look as good as it did. The Matrix was just funky and different, with one invention: bullet-time photography, brought from commercial making. TPM just looked big and super-real everywhere; there were effects we didn't even notice. The Matrix experimental look just caught fancy for a while, but has falled into cliche now.
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ILM hasn't won since 1994 for Forrest Gump. There have been years where there work was the most deserving, like Dragonheart in 1996, but not recognized. Politics has been playing behind the scenes.
There are others on this thread who think Matrix FX work was overrated.
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ROTS' effects were far better than WOTW; there were more of them and they were of higher quality.
And I would have liked to see more of LOTR's effects, but I slept through half of the films... Jackson seriously needs an editor. Plus those extraneous Lotr love scenes and dialogue were so putrid I wanted to choke on my popcorn.
Oh come on. I cringed so often in the Lotr love scenes I felt like it was an Afterschool Special. With those gauzy curtains and cheezy lines it felt like a femine protection commercial! Not to mention the fact that those scenes are nowhere in the books, and the whole AOTC love story is, like in fact, kinda crucial to the entire saga!
While I agree the WOTW effects were very good, the number and quality of them in ROTS is enough to give Lucas the hardware. And by quantity I mean the opening space battle, the bridge battle, GG's escape, landing of the ship, yoda's closeup, the opera house, wookie battle, Utapah battle, Mace's battle, order 66 masacres, and the final battles.
IMHO The opening space battle won it for Lucas right there, but there were so many more. The sense of wonder was with Lucas, not Spielberg.
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