I take it you are speaking to me? And puhhhhlease.. I made my points a thousand times already and not once have you bothered to respond to my arguments. If I were to sum them all up now, then you would probably ignore them again.
Do you know why that is? It's because you have nothing.. You turn words around and accuse us of hating the PT, being against the PT and us resorting to name calling.. You must be paranoid or just trying to piss me off. Either way, please state something constructive or just freaking respond to what people have to say instead of feeling attacked like that.
What was that dumb statement about? Who wanted to redo AotC? Exanda kane for example already stated that in his opinion it shouldn't be redone and that's also the case with me actually! So that only leaves xyz to who your response might have been to. Well, newsflash.. He's just a kid. Why bother
I've re-read pert-near every post looking for reasons why it seems rushed to some here. All I can offer is a big fat so what?
Exactly.. Why do you bother? This is a forum, let us discuss. Just ignore the thread instead of posting random stuff.
Just because it "seems" rushed doesn't mean it is. I would completely disagree with any thoughts that it is "rushed". For one thing it's a comment that really hardly says anything. For another, they had 3 years to make it. That's a lot of quality time in it. There is great care taken in AOTC.
Just because he had three years doesn't automatically mean that Lucas hadn't written it too fast. Who says Lucas immediately went writing on it anyway? And it's clear he didn't write the PT plot beforehand as the movies seem horribly out of place in the overall view of it.
But how do you know that a lot of time or enough 'time' has actually been stuck into it? Are you George Lucas?
Sure there are some clumsy spots, but there's not a film that's been made that could not have been made better with more money and more time, and unless you want the films released every 5 years, you simply do your best. Lucas thought and took his time in it.
And that's exactly what I have been discussing around here, how it could have been done better and that IMO it has even been rushed! Just let me, okay?
Thirdly, there's Lucas' tried and true actor's direction, "Faster, more intense," which the OT actors loved to rib Lucas about... it is supposed to be rushed. It is supposed to have a fast tone in parts, and it does. In TPM, they say "We haven't much time" at least twice! Lucas is always trying to speed things up.
Yeah, Lucas always does this and that! You must be a Lucas expert or even him! Either way.. Talking about fast scenes, I don't think AotC was rushed in that way, it had a good shifting through scenes in it wich couldn't be said for the other two PT movies.
Just the actual script lacked..
AOTC is about two major plot points: Anakin & Padme falling in love, and the beginning of the end of the republic. It's an odd duality, by causing A & P to fall in love, it dooms the republic but later rescued with their children. I loved watching Palpatine weave his legacy of destruction and discovering the truth on how he came to power. Great political machination stuff because there's not too much of it.
Yes, we know you are AotC's biggest fan, but what is the point of this over-analysation? In your opinion, AtoC is the absolute shit but in a lot of other peoples opinion, it just isn't that interesting..
And that's what can be discussed, but you only feel attacked for some reason.
Now before saying you want to kill yourself or something even more irrelevant please try to respond in a proper way using quotes for example instead of ignoring any points/arguments given and just spouting out the same thing constantly.
what's the deal with all these useless posts? Just make a list on the good things and bad things.
5. It has bad acting and didn't seem real
4. It's like a big hole in the saga
3. Dooku was a boring villian
2. The ending was too short
1. There was so much left out.
Why have you posted the numbers in opposite number? For your sake I will do the same...
5. Star Wars has never had good acting, none of the actors apart from Alec Guiness, Peter Cushing or Harrison Ford in the OT were brilliant. Even these actors (two of which were classically tained) were not too good.
4. What is that supposed to mean? That's not a point and you have given no evidence for this.
3. Dooku was actually very interesting, much better than Maul. He is a fallen Jedi Master, a powerful and eloquent political figure, Count of Sereno (basically royalty) and is bloody good with a lightsaber (plus it's Christopher Lee).
2. If you have noticed all the Star Wars films have a frantic last 15 minutes (all of them), I can't remember the term GL describe this with.
1. This is not a point either, nor have you given evidence for this...
Exactly, I found Dooku much more interesting than Maul too.
The movie just had a bad delivering of scenes with a lot of useless and dissapointing ones and the whole scene the movie was building up to was just cut off or something.
The freaking jedi uber master goes to fight Qui-Gons master and it ends with the jedi walking away flying over the planet in plane and Dooku stepping in a cab heading to Coruscant. Wow, big deal, what a climax..
Yoda versus Sidious was a bit like that too. Supposed to be impressive as hell but actually quite useless and boring as everyone already knew it wouldn't decide anything.
But to xyz.. Sorry to say it but you just shouldn't try to judge..
I know, but he keeps getting the wrong impression about me. I'm just saying AOTC is a rushed film and a disapointment. If some people like it that's fine. I really don't mind. It's all about oppinion.
It came out in the usual 3 year plan, and it was tinkered with all the way up to its theatrical release. Unlike ROTS which was finished in Mid April.
It wasn't rushed, it followed a schedule just like the others.
GL admits he sucks ass at dialog. Listen to the commentary, or watch the documents, you get the gist that it takes hime like weeks to sometimes to do 4 pages.
[QUOTE=5546685]Originally posted by overlord I take it you are speaking to me? And puhhhhlease.. I made my points a thousand times already and not once have you bothered to respond to my arguments. If I were to sum them all up now, then you would probably ignore them again.
Do you know why that is? It's because you have nothing.. You turn words around and accuse us of hating the PT, being against the PT and us resorting to name calling.. You must be paranoid or just trying to piss me off. Either way, please state something constructive or just freaking respond to what people have to say instead of feeling attacked like that.
Chill overlord. I don't feel attacked. And don't act so innocent, you did mock me when you wrote: "I'll translate this for the people who care: "Wéh wéh wéh!!..." Mocking is considered bad net form, in case you didn't know. I don't care if you did mock me, just don't act like a saint around here when you accuse others. You just don't like it that I don't reply to posts the way you like it. Well 'scuse me for not doing things the way you like to. In case you didn't know it's a big world, and people write thing in many different ways, and not always the way you like them. I don't have hours to spend on boards like this. I do not accuse you of hating the pt, I would never be that specific. I do not resort to name calling, except for one post in another thread which I quickly apologized for and I never have before or since. My posts are very constructive and make point after point. What you call paranoid I call common sense, I can't help it if your vision won't let you see it.
What was that dumb statement about? Who wanted to redo AotC? Exanda kane for example already stated that in his opinion it shouldn't be redone and that's also the case with me actually! So that only leaves xyz to who your response might have been to. Well, newsflash.. He's just a kid. Why bother
Guess what? Kid or senior citizen, when xyz wrote "AOTC just needs a do-over", that post deserves a response. A quick, and swift response that "doing AOTC" over is ridiculous.
Just because he had three years doesn't automatically mean that Lucas hadn't written it too fast. Who says Lucas immediately went writing on it anyway? And it's clear he didn't write the PT plot beforehand as the movies seem horribly out of place in the overall view of it.
But how do you know that a lot of time or enough 'time' has actually been stuck into it? Are you George Lucas?
No, it is not "clear" he didn't write out the PT plot. Where do you get this material, some sitcom writer's jokebook? The movies do not seem horribly out of place, they seem right on target. The timeline's perfect. TPM a "generation" before Star Wars, ATOC 10 years after that, ROTS 3 or whatever years after ATOC. I'll give the creators some wiggle room, it's not cast in stone with birthdays that can be found in some Motor Vehicle Department of Records! Now you tell me where these so-called plots are 'horribly' out of place. Where, that Owen & Beru look younger than they "should" be? Well, ever seen faces of people who live in a desert? Their skin looks like an old naugahyde sofa! But since you're clear as mud in this point, please "educate" us all.
It doesn't take a first-year film student to know that if you spend 3 years on a film, that's a lot of man-hours, especially with the staff Lucas has. And what's with the " R U G L?" line? Now you're reducing your arguments to the absurd, and the sarcasm rises to the level of bitterness and smacks of insults. Pot... kettle... black.
And that's exactly what I have been discussing around here, how it could have been done better and that IMO it has even been rushed! Just let me, okay?
Be my guest!! Who's stopping you? You think you're doing me a favor? Sheesh.
Yeah, Lucas always does this and that! You must be a Lucas expert or even him! Either way.. Talking about fast scenes, I don't think AotC was rushed in that way, it had a good shifting through scenes in it wich couldn't be said for the other two PT movies.
Just the actual script lacked..
No, Mr. Overlord I'm not GL, and not a Lucas expert and neither are you. Yet again with the mocking. I would agree with you the script wasn't perfect, but I wouldn't say it stunk.
Yes, we know you are AotC's biggest fan, but what is the point of this over-analysation? In your opinion, AtoC is the absolute [expletive] but in a lot of other peoples opinion, it just isn't that interesting..
And that's what can be discussed, but you only feel attacked for some reason.
Aha, just my point, I was pointing out how fascinating it was watching Palpatine rise to power, and you call it over-analyzing! I guess there's no pleasing you. Again, I do not feel attacked; you only think I do, for some unknown reason. If other people think AOTC's not that interesting, I'll be happy share my reasons for why it is interesting, and you say I'm just an prequel apologist. Well it's very nice to label people like that so you can just ignore the point of their posts without any reasoning behind it to back it up. I'd love to analyze it calmly, and I have many a time, but too many posts come back with oh-so droll zingers that say AOTC stinks, and so I am duty-bound to fight back.
How many times do I have to say it? AOTC doesn't stink, it's a spectacular film! Many parts were absolutely thrilling. Anakins telling of the sandpeople slaughter was bone-chilllingly evil. Notice here I'm not saying it's perfect, but it is spectacular, (not mutually exclusive).
Now before saying you want to kill yourself or something even more irrelevant please try to respond in a proper way using quotes for example instead of ignoring any points/arguments given and just spouting out the same thing constantly.
(sarcasm/on)Whew, I'm so glad you posted this, as I was about to kick the three-legged stool out from under me, and the hangman's noose was getting tighter around my neck!(off)
Last edited by chinabing on Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:19 AM
How was your Anakin's murder of the sand people bone chilling? It was boring and it suffered from and lost significance under all the fighting.
When watching AotC for the first time (yes I remember this) I thought how cool it was to see 200 Jedi all fighting at the same time. I didnt think "Oh my, how romantic was the Padme and Anakin scenes, how disturbing was the sand people scene" and nor did the people I was with.
Sorry, you have a point but Overlord has some really good points, its a shame chinabing just tried to rip his post and not actually achieveing much in the process.
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