In 1/6th of the trilogy, I think we need to wait and see what happens in Episode-II. Judging by the number of different BTS images we have seen of Threepio, I tend to believe he will have a loit more to do in this movie.
Yes, but very possibly still not in an observation/narrative role. It doesn't matter how much they are in it, if GL is going to justify their return by saying the story is viewed through the droids he should stick with that.
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Wel, 3PO is going to watch a lot of things with the rebellion:
"Are last Captain was captain Antilles."
"You fought with the rebellion against the Empire?"
Than I can't remember the rest but it ends with 3PO saying that it isn't interesting and that he is just an interpretor and he is not good at telling storys.
So he will get a good rol, maybe in II or III
None of that stuff is on-screen; it qwill take place between the films.
It's still only a rumour, but therre is still that thing about 3P0 firing a blaster in the new film... in any case, I do not mindf the droids being in the new films but in the end they have come in in a different capacity, and I have seen nothing yet to make me think this will change for Ep. II.
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It's not that I hate the droids. Don't get me wrong. I loved them in the OT where they served a distinct purpose. I haven't seen that in TPM. I think 3PO got bad lines (except for the unstable floor and parts showing lines), he served no real purpose. And frankly, neither did R2. They didn't do anything that gave cause for these two particular droids to feature. Even Anakin being 3PO's maker is somewhat absurd and makes them ending up with Luke all too much of a coincidence. And since Anakin being their maker has no conquence, why have them in the PT if they serve no reason but recognition.
R2 and 3PO served as a crucial part of the actual storytelling, so far they only serve as pure merchandising. And I think it's very weak to say that without the droids it wouldn't be SW. That's almost like saying that any story of Tolkien is nothing withourt Gandalf.
It's geofiction, it shouldn't depend on minor characters which in the end, 3PO and R2 are. It is after all ANAKIN's story and now I see my favourite droids cramped into his story with meaningless lines.....
So they are welcome, but please Mr. lucas, let them serve a purpose at least.
Queeg, this is why I said you will enjoy TPM more when all the films are made. Right now there is a big hole in the SW story and until thats filled, some things in TPM will seem pointless.
But take the droids out of the prequels for a minute and imagine you've just watched the first 3 episodes. You switch on ANH and these two droids show up. Two droids that you haven't seen before. Wouldn't that seem odd?
You're right that they didn't have as much reason to be in TPM as they did the OT but I still think Lucas was right to introduce them in the very first Episode.
Even if they don't do much in AOTC I still think it's important that they are there because it will be those two droids that join the PT to the OT.
Anakin survives, storywise. OB1 survives, storywise. If we see Luke and Leia get born, they survive, storywise. Palpy survives, storywise, Owen Lars survives (for a while). So that's bogus.
And SW doesn't NEED them to continue as a saga. It's Anakin's story, not that of the droids.
And no, KJ, it would not seem odd if these droids show up. We're twenty years later since Ep3. Who cares where they come from. I think it's even odder that the droids Anakin grew up with end up in Luke's service without that even being picked up as a story theme or that it doesn't returnas a story element. That IS weak storytelling.
And there is the continuity problem anyway, the droids serve a very different purpose in the OT than they do in the PT. In the OT they are the VEHICLE of storytelling, not so much the story itself like they are now in TPM. So that focus changes all of a sudden. That is odd.
And also, I like to judge each film on it's own merits. That things are not just there to serve a purpose a few films later. That never happens in the OT. Even Fett has a small role, but he serves a purpose: he's the bounty hunter that catches Han. You don't need to see ANH to know Han has a price on his head, that's made perfectly clear in ESB. You don't need to see that he dies in ROTJ to appreciate his tiny role. In ROTJ you see the bad bounty hunter called Fett getting killed. You don't need to see ESB to figure out who he is, he'd just be a bddy getting killed.
Of course they are sequels, there should be continuity. But it's almost like giving Fett lines in the ANH SE just to make sure you see he's around. They didn't do that, there was no reason for it. They just showed him for a sec, he gets a purpose later.
Now, in TPM they are there quite distinctly, but they don't do anything that makes them necessary for the story. R2 fixes a ship and overwrites the autopilot: any droid could have done that. 3PO just says the same line twice and serves no prupose except for showing: look, he's here, see! it's SW.
IMHO that is redundancy.
What you are saying isn't good; you say that other droids could do the stuff R2 and 3PO did, so you can go on and say that Luke and Leia didn't need to be there for the fall of the Empire, heck, you could even say that the Empire wasn't needed because there was one Empire, destroyed in ANH and after that a new one in ESB
It's completely different. Fett is a minor character. R2 and 3PO basically told the story. If they weren't in the PT and then they showed up in the OT guiding you through the story you'd be thinking "Where were these guys in the PT?" or "Why are they taking us through the story?".
They are the thing that links the audience from the PT to the OT. Without them it would be disjointed. That's not weak storytelling. It's the only way the story can be told.
Anakin doesn't survive storywise. Darth Vader is a totally different character and there for a different reason. Obi-Wan only pops in now and again to fill in the spaces in the story. Owen dies in ANH, we won't see an adult Luke and Leia in the PT and you can't have Palpatine (the main villain) taking the audience through the story. That would be weak storytelling.
Even in TPM the two droids are around for the most important events.
Anakin winning the race.
Anakin meeting the Jedi.
Anakin leaving his mum.
Anakin destroying the ship.
They might not have said much but the two droids were still the two characters who were around for the important things and that will make their purpose in the OT more believable.
They may have been around, but that isn;t relevant because they weren't presented as observers. Qui-Gon saw ALL of the major events but he isn' an observer either.
Not that I mind that much, but I think it is clear they are continuity characters this time around and not the eye of the story.
Still, I don;t think it was that necessary to have them in, even for that major link. I can take them or leave them; if they have good parts I am happy.
Though I am really nout sure if their presence makes their OT appearance more 'believable...' There was hardly a credibility problem. They were presented as the observers of the second triolgy; they didn;t NEED to do the same for the whole story. I fact, their presence has so far created more continuity problems than it has solved.
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