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yerssot
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and you know your master when you spend years with him

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Okay, I agree that people in general use it for good luck. But Vader is not people in general. He's the last of the frigging Jedi!!!!!

Anytime Vader mentions the Force, he means it seriously. Dead seriously sometimes.... big grin so why would that line in the trench be any different?


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But why is that not a serious use of it? Just because he is not being literal it doesn't mean he is not being serious.

I am pretty sure that if he saw someone being lucky his first thought would be 'Hmm, the Force seems to be with him today...' as opposed to 'He seems to be lucky today'.


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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"

"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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That's two "seems to be" there. But that's not what he said. He said "The Force IS strong with this one."


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That was just an example, it's the principle that he would describe kuck in terms of the Force that I am getting at here.


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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"

"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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And why would he do that. He's a Jedi..... "In my experience there's no such thing as luck."


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But that's exactly my point, queeq. He wouldn't use the term 'luck'; he would ascribe it to the Force.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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It's not just an expression. That says there is no luck, so if there is the Force there is something deliberate going on. Something that can be sensed. Like the vergence around Anakin.


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They wouldn't mean anything so active. When things go well for you it is the will of the Force. Like Qui-Gon finding Anakin- he believed that was the will of the Force, not luck. But it is not as if he sensed it happening.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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But he did sense the vergence. I doubt that was mere Sherlockish elementary deduction from what he saw.


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Did he sense it? I don;t think so. He finds a mysteriously powerful Force adept who is only 8 and has no father. His instincts told him that this was the vergence he suspected it was.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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His instincts????? Instincts don't tell you how things work, they tell you how to respond to situations.


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I'm sorry, why can't Qui-Gon's instincts lead him to think this is the Chosen One?


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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Instincts don't talk, they respond to circumstances.


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+ you can't summon them

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What sort of nonsense is that? Instincts tell you things, hence the phrase "What does your instinct tell you?" or "My instinct told me England was going win that match' and so on.


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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"

"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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For the first: your instict DOES give you advise but that comes when they respond to circumstances.
For the second: that's not your instict!

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Well, that;s how it was with Qui-Gon. When he found Anakin his instincts told him he was the Chosen One. Simple as that. I don;t understand the objection.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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MY instincts tell me, I need a beer!!! big grin big grin big grin


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"What does your instinct tell you?"


I never heard of that phrase. "What does your heart tell you", sounds familiar though. But that has to do with deeper emotions. Instincts are basic gut feelings. Animals have instincts yet I doubt their instincts tell them that another animal has special talents. But when they sense danger, their instinct tells them to run.
That's why QGJ instructed Anakin to trust his instincts during the pod race.

And when we take this one step further (or back) to ROTJ. Luke senses that Leia is his sister without being told. OB1 did not say "Your instincts serve you well", but he said "Your INSIGHT serves you well." And his insight was given through use of the Force, not through instinct.


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