AOTC is a thin sucky thread in between the 1st and 3rd movie. It doesnt tell you much about darth vader and how anakin goes to the darkside apart from the few tantrums which were made suckier with bad acting over all it sucked
Almost everything that has been posted is complete bullsh*t.
AOTC is the best movie out of all of them. Has the best lead villan, Count Dooku, who leaves you in awe when he fires sith lightning for the first time since Sids in ROTJ. And when he whipped out his lightsaber and pwned the duo and then went toe to toe with Yoda we were all looking at the screen in astonishment. Dont deny it.
Also it has the Battle of Geonosis. Easily the best battle in the saga, it has action, hundreds of jedi, swarms of droids and clones and great SFX. Stop saying that it could have been better if GL did '...' differently because it wouldnt have been. What we see on screen is the Battle of Geonsis the way it was meant to be - anything else wouldnt work.
I admit most of the scenes with Anakin and Padme sucked, but this is made up for with scenes like Kamino where Kenobi fights Jango. This is just another superb scene which took alot of time and effort to put together but has come out breathtaking. I mean, this is our introduction to Boba Fett, learning about his origins and history.
I'm always amused when someone calls a 3 year work of art "Garbage." Spend 3 years, 19 hours a day, and see how it feels to have your film called "garbage," and act as if no effort was put into it. You'll feel like punching someone out.
Apart from the movie being the "coolest" of the prequels (meaning it had the coolest vibe and lots of the coolest stuff...characters/locations/action sequences), Ep II seemed to bring in more Star Wars fans than any other episode since ESB...and that includes Sith.
There were sooo many websites that popped up after Clones (in the the vein of "Anakin and his Angel" and the like)...and so much buzz around Star Wars that Menace failed to make...and Sith hasn't seemed to have made either.
For some reason, (and I don't know why considering it's not greatest movie) I think it struck a chord with a lot of people this generation.
I also kinda see it as a cult film...I think if it wasn't a Star Wars film (meaning Star Wars never existed), and it just came out on its own, I think it could be a cult classic...whereas the others on their own would just have normal film status...and I think that's part of it's appeal.
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AOTC is no doubt the most obsolete of all SW films. Nothing in that film progresses the story in any meaningful way. It's a lot of sidetracked little bitty storylines with some not too perfect effects. It's one huge 2,5 hours piece of exposition that doesn't take us anywhere. It seemed to do that at the time, but when ROTS came around I really wondered what the point of that film was:
- It never showed anything that made OB1 in ANH believable when he said "And he was a great friend"
- the love story is totally unbelievable
- Anakin is a dickhead, with whom it's very hard to sympathise with, a whining brat without the youthful promisefilled chararcteristics of Luke.
- another Sith who is the best since Vader, but who has no point at all in story development. I still wonder what the whole film was about... Plus the key elements of Sidious using Tyrannus to destroy all the major power factions in the universe (Banking Guild, Techno Union and Trade Federation all joined in the Separartists movement) is lost in all the subtelties... Clever idea, but poorly executed. Very few people got that, but if anything is at stake in that film, it is Sidious setting up a clever scheme to create a power vacuum which he can fill.
But since we officially don't even know Palpatine=Sidious (a huge mistake in the PT in my mind) it doesn't even matter.
In my mind AOTC is entertaining, but missed out on all opportunities to make us like Anakin and understand him. ROTS should have been used as two movies in my mind. At least something would have been at stake.
Count Dooku is not the best villain, Darth Sidious is. Count Dooku to me is just a prick who never shuts up. We weren't "looking at the screen in astonishment" That phrase you just posted there, is probably the most bullshit in this thread. "Great SFX"? And that battle was aweful, 1. You only saw specks of the battle, 2. The battle was over-board with far too many jedi, 3. The battle isn't what we all expected. I'm sorry, do you know what out-takes are? Well, it was interseting... Okay, that bit was pretty good.
I hated the exposition on Boba.... why the hell did we need that.
In all fairness, AOTC did have quite a few good moments... but they were moments, separate, not connected to a greater story, those bits that were, were small and minute...
For instance, great scene with Ani and Obi chasing Zam, but think about that whole thing.
Why must Amidala die? Because the TF sort of is annoyed by her, what is the point for Sidious to make such about an unimportant senator? Why was she so important? Never made that clear.
Why hire Jango, who then hires Zam? Why doesn't Jango do it himself? Why all this complicated fuss when it has no bearing for the bigger story? Would Amidala's death have changed Sidious march to power? I don't think so? Maybe it would have changed Ani's, but then, he wasn't in love with her when taht assault on the landing pad takes place. All in all, a very very minor plot point that takes forever to work out. And all it does is lead to Kamino, some lame detective storyy this is... at the end they still don't know anything.... only that a war begins... Well, bleeeeh....
Indeed.... I mean I understand the underlying ideas... there are many of them in AOTC, but most of them get lost.
In the end if you deduce what AOTC tells us is nothing more than that Anakin meets and falls in love withN Amidala and that a Clone Army is made. That's it!!!! It's minute for a film that takes almost 2,5 hours....
Dead on...which is why I could kind of see it as a cult film...it's convoluted, visually driven, doesn't haven't a clear resolution at the end, and it's disjointed with a bunch of stuff that doesn't seem to connect or carry a story along (unless you really dig deep or have some bakground)...sounds like a lot of cult movies I know.
...still think it looks and feels cooler than any other SW movie...or most any movie ever made for that matter
It has moments.... that is it. Nothing more. No vision, it is not visually driven other than CGI and lots of bangs and stuff... It has a very clear resolution in the sense that nothing changed: they still don't know anything. Any film that has no change is CRAP.
It's nothing like a cult movie, because it isn't extraordinary in any way, doesn't show things in a different light. Blade Runner, that is a cult film for instance, somewhat in a similar genre. AOTC is way to flat and cheesy to be cult...
Don't worry...I'm not saying it's a good movie...but it sounds like you're just trying to give the film zero credit.
Seems like a lot of people might not "get" Attack of the Clones.
You don't have to go much farther than the name to see where I'm coming from...this movie is the most self aware, campy, over-the-top film of the series...Maybe you think this movie is trying to take itself seriously...it's not. It takes the piss in a number of places and is over-the-top romantic, dramatic, and visually throughout...it takes everything to the "nth" degree. Kinda "cultish" I think.
Pretty much any review you'll read says this film is visually driven...it's definitely not driven by plot...what plot? Where?
And there is no resolution because not a whole lot is (as you said earlier) deduced...pretty much every non-Star Wars fan I saw this movie with was like "whuh?" at the end of the movie...they didn't know what the heck happened.
And this film is extraordinary...never before have we seen a film that takes place pretty much entirely in a "realistic" looking CG world...it's basically the first multi-million dollar (or by far the most expensive) art film ever made...and that kinda makes it cult IMO.
(and "realistic" is in quotes for a reason).
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Bullsh*t. Count Dooku is far better than friggin Sidious. I liked PT Palpatine but GL made PT Sidious look like crap. We are talking about the same Sidious who started giggling in his fight with Yoda for god sake. Not a trait you see very often in a movies most evil character.
Palaptine was better than Dooku in the visual department all the way up until he started his fight with Yoda. It got shitty from then.
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