they are all sithlords the plain sith are extinct. (read the early EU for an explanation). the master is usually referred to as the "Dark lord". That's why no one calls vader a "Dark lord" in any of the movies
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finti said it...all sith have the title lord...lord vader, lord maul, whatever. jedi MASTER:master kenobi, master windu, master skywalker, etc: Sith LORD:lord maul, lord vader, etc; A DARK LORD OF THE SITH. not a sith MASTER, a sith LORD.
MASTER AND LORD. simple.
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darth sidious's master was darth imperius. his apprentice after darth maul was darth rage. its on db101.
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and besides maul, that stuffs not even true inthe EU. Where'd you read that? Supershadow? he's the only one I've heard spreading the whole Darth Rage crap. That was the name Lucas was toying with before Tyranous, and even that is an unconfirmed rumor.
Actually, we don't know that. Basically (and we know this from the movies, so it fits your precious canon) you have to train a padawan to knighthood to be considered a master. Anakin COULD face the trails and succeed in Episode 3.
it's quite clear that humans have no idea how the order works!
they call Anakin a master in AOTC!
how on earth can you know then that OB1 (and in ANH he says he's a jedi KNIGHT and not a jedi MASTER) was a master in rank? he was a master cause he had an apprentice!
btw... [SPOILER - highlight to read]: in EpIII, Anakin will already be a knight, according to a pic of the behind the helmet series
Well then that would, according to Episode I, technically make Obi-Wan a master. The reason we know this is because it says Qui-Gon Jinn reached mastery when he trained his first apprentice. And I don't think they ever refer to Anakin as a Jedi Master...maybe just as "Master Anakin" or "Master Jedi", which is just a mark of respect, not an actual rank.
3po is the only one I heard call him "master". Sio Bibble called him "master jedi". I think it comes into play when people outside the order refer to them as Master, its out of respect since they don't know much about the order. Although, Yoda calls Obi-wan master as well. But we do know from the OT that Obi-wan was only a Knight, which pretty much implies any use of master comes from a general term of respect.
no, OB1 is clearly a Jedi Knight as Yoda says in TPM
and where did you get that QGJ became a master when he trained his first apprentice? as far as canon sources go, we have no indication if OB1 is his first one or not
yes, Sio does call him Master Jedi, not just Jedi, but MASTER jedi, when he still was a padawan, which Padme immediatly pointed out! it shows they don't know anything about the order, if they don't, how can an alien on an isolated world outside the republic know if OB1 is a master or not? (Taun We: "And this is jedi master ..." -OB1: "Obi-Wan Kenobi")
there is just NO proof, not by a long shot, that you automaticly become a master when you succesfully train a padawan!
I swear, I found it somewhere in Episode I, and I'm pretty sure it's canon. Let me do a little bit of hunting-there IS a chance that I'm wrong, of course.
and that pretty much sums it up to a T doesn't it?
and Vengence, that was never ever mentioned in the movies. It was only addressed in the novels and quite vaguely. I think the only mention of Qui-gon having another apprentice was in the young jedi knights books. possibly in the Ep 1 novel which I've only skimmed so I could have easily missed it.
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