So that explains how he was able to take on so many at once in the Clone Wars series, right? Because he was using all four of his arms, he used two and you can't get mad at him for that, lots of jedi use two. Of course he couldnt use the force, he was mostly droid, and apparently he can take on more than one jedi at a time so we all saw during the series.
not canon. in GG's cinema screen time he proved himself to be nothing more than a coward, and idiot, and a punk b!tch. EU 'evidence' is irrelevant and has no place here. all evidence in the film proves me right.
I have seen in multiple threads that the Clone Wars series is considered canon.
And how did he look like a coward? He was smart, his ship was going down and was surrounded by a Jedi Master and the "Chosen One," yeah, I wouldn't stay and take them on either. He left the ship because it was going down, if he stayed, he either would have been taken prisoner by the Jedi and the Republic or had died. So, he did the intelligent move.
When he was fighting OB1, he lost two of his hands and was still going on the offensive. Only did he leave was when the clone army showed up and that would have been stupid to stay and fight OB1 while he had all those clones backing him up.
All of his moves were of intelligence, not cowardice or idiotic, and I still don't see where you get the "punk b!tch" from.
The Clone Wars is not considerd cannon. We talk about it a lot, because well, its fairly official, but you're not going to win this.
Running away is not intelligent. If he's so great, he'd be able to pwn everyone in 5 seconds. He had no problem all being in your face when he killed Jedi, but as soon as he senses trouble, he runs. He fled without any respect for anyone but himself.
Well, I guess noone in the entire saga or the entire star wars universe is so great becasue none of them can pwn everyone. Fleeing is NOT stupid, he lives to fight another day and do more than he could have were he to stay and die like a fool.
Greivous is a great character - by no means my favourite (cough*CountDooku*cough), but awesome to watch none the less. I dont find him cowardly at all by fleeing. Knowing when one is beaten is usually the difference between life and death, so therefore fleeing makes GG far more intelligent than someone that would pointlessly stay and fight to the death. However I think Greivous needed some more character development in the movies.
General Grievous is, actually, one of my favorite characters in fiction. It is mainly due to his performance in Labyrinth of Evil and in the RotS novelization itself.
I do agree that his entire presence in the movie was a bit absurd. It is my understanding that it was to introduce the strongest parallel to what Vader would become - a brilliant tactition, a cyborg, the supreme leader of a massive military and a complete pawn. Lucas's intent for the character seems to have varied from the Making of Star Wars to the time of the RotS commentary (go figure). Initially, he wanted a character that the audience and the other characters would fear, trying to rebuild that sense of foreboding that people got off of Vader. Then, as of the RotS commentary, he ended up with a character ruled by fear - instead of ruling through it.
A lot of authors depict their villains as being cowards. Grievous is but one example. Sidious is depicted as such from time to time. Hell, even outside of Star Wars, characters that are meant to be intimidating are complete cowards - like Voldemort from Harry Potter. I've never really understood that whole philosophy. If you're antagonist is ruled by fear and is a total coward, then there's no way in hell that he's going to perform some daring plot or oppose the hero - especially in the case of people like Grievous and Voldemort - who aren't authorities or rulers of the galaxy, but rather have the same modus operandi of a gangster or a criminal.
I hate to see villains who are cowards. Perhaps concerned with self preservation, but flat-out cowardly? It is a pathetic plot device and character flaw, in my opinion.
Anyways, yeah. Grievous kicked ass in LoE. But his performance in the movie was absurd. As was killing off Dooku in the first half hour. If he was gonna go out like that, why'd we bring him in the first place?
I actually thought the whole coward thing worked well for Grievous, it got him out of some pretty sneaky situations, and really added a lot of depth to the sneaky aspects of his character.
And yeah, whoever wrote LoE was some Grievous fanboy, the author completely overpowers him. Kit Fisto too.
See, now I disagree. But, I disagree due to the intent of the character. Grievous was supposed to be "the new Vader" in terms of the feelings he inspired and his general attitude. Say what you will, but Vader wasn't a coward. Grievous was probably scared of mice. That was what was frustrating about him.
I don't think someone so cowardly would be at the helm of the Separatist fleet - an organization combating an ancient Republic with 10,000 Jedi on their side.
Again, I disagree. The best Grievous did was fight Mace for a few seconds. He did pretty well, but, again, it was only for a few seconds - and Mace outmaneuvered him.
Kit manhandled two Magnaguards was probably to testify to his skill as being "one of the Temple's greatest swordsmen", but yeah... I can see where your assertion came along, considering how Obi-Wan and Anakin had a little difficulty with them.
Fair enough, though, may I ask where it is said that he was supposed to be the new Vader?
Only a few seconds? Well I was definitely wrongly informed then, I heard that he gave Mace Windu the duel of his life, even scared Mace a little by mimicking Vaapad. I also heard that he pulled off a similar feat to when he defeated those 6 or so jedi in the CW cartoon.
There we go, this is what this thread is supposed to be like
I didn't think the fight was too quick, and I want a show or movie or something of that fight where it shows Grievous's point of view when he was figuring out his form and mimicking it.
I dislike Grievous immensly. He was a cyborg with "whikiD kewl" spinning arms that held onto four lightsabers he didn't build himself. He had no Force-abilities and was only able to beat Jedi due to said arms and training he receieved from a former Jedi Master turned Sith Lord.
He left his vital organs ridiculously uncovered, was a coward (I don't care how smart he was for running, he was still a coward), and a fool (leaving two powerful Jedi's lightsabers in his pocket, WHILE the Jedi were standing right in front of him).
Not to mention that f*cking cough, and that extremely annoying Eastern European accent.
Yeah, Grievous RoX!
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